My prediction. Wazzou will be taking it up the wazzou.Wazzou.
Just like OU and OSU.
My prediction. Wazzou will be taking it up the wazzou.Wazzou.
Just like OU and OSU.
Worked out for Texas/Texas A&M, OU/OSU. Iowa/ISU, Utah/USU, Florida/FSU, Georgia/GT, UCLA/Cal, etc.You can't take one state school without the other. That's why Zona and ASU would be a package deal.
I think Arizona's academics are better than you imply, especially in space sciences. Very highly ranked in overall research spending, too.Why would the Big10 want either AZ school? Neither is up to Big10 academic standards. Phoenix as a city watches pro sports. AZ has good basketball teams (which evidence indicates they payed for). Tuscon is nuts for AZ basketball. Tuscon is not Phoenix.
Oregon isn't up to the Big10 academic standards either. They also were under scrutiny for paying players pre-NIL. Even with these two strikes, it would not surprise me if they got a Nebraska exception despite our seeing how well that one worked out. I wonder how much we would have to pay Nebraska to move back to the Big12. The improvements in brand and profits might be worth it.
One news report (Norlander?) said that June 30th was the last day that a team could leave the Pac12 without financial penalties. That makes this announcement timing very interesting if the Big10 really was after additional Pac12 schools. I would have expected the first few last week, so that the others could announce by today.
AZ is an AAU school and adding either of them would put BTN on basic cable in the Phoenix market.Why would the Big10 want either AZ school? Neither is up to Big10 academic standards. Phoenix as a city watches pro sports. AZ has good basketball teams (which evidence indicates they payed for). Tuscon is nuts for AZ basketball. Tuscon is not Phoenix.
Oregon isn't up to the Big10 academic standards either. They also were under scrutiny for paying players pre-NIL. Even with these two strikes, it would not surprise me if they got a Nebraska exception despite our seeing how well that one worked out. I wonder how much we would have to pay Nebraska to move back to the Big12. The improvements in brand and profits might be worth it.
One news report (Norlander?) said that June 30th was the last day that a team could leave the Pac12 without financial penalties. That makes this announcement timing very interesting if the Big10 really was after additional Pac12 schools. I would have expected the first few last week, so that the others could announce by today.
what is basic cable? Is that still a thing?AZ is an AAU school and adding either of them would put BTN on basic cable in the Phoenix market.
Things are moving way too fast for me. I understand that the University of Chicago Maroons left the Big 10 way back and Michigan State became a member in 1950. Correct?
Dan Wolken sums it up . . .This is just another step towards the abyss . . . the death of college athletics.
Lol. Non-sports package cable/streaming services might be better wording. Most of the views would probably come from current Big Ten alumni in the area, but total # of subscribers is big for ad revenue.what is basic cable? Is that still a thing?
He pretends this hasn't been all about money for decades already. It's not the conferences that should be called out for not innovating; it's the NCAA. The NCAA put profit over a viable management/government/enforcement structure years ago and this is just the end result of that process.Dan Wolken sums it up . . .
“It was always going to be the proxy war between ESPN and FOX and the soulless college presidents and administrators who have been sucking on their teat for the last decade, unable to do anything remotely visionary with their sport besides convince television executives to shovel more money at them every decade.
And now here we are, at the precipice of a realignment that will not merely be about rearranging pieces on the chess board. This, finally, is the Big One: The ultimate abandonment of tradition, of rivalry, of geographic sanity and of the unique character that distinguished one conference from another.
In the end, we’ll still have the Big Ten and the SEC standing atop college sports, but they will no longer be college athletic conferences in the same way we’ve known them for a century. Now, with USC and UCLA abandoning their West Coast roots for the riches of a league that was founded in 1896 by a group of college presidents in the Midwest trying to establish some control over college athletics, they are headed for a future as generic, soulless corporate entities that exist purely for profit and excess. The future of the SEC vs. Big Ten will look no different than Coke vs. Pepsi, FedEx vs. UPS and Apple vs. IBM.
And college sports is never going to be the same.”
As to Arizona, Tucson is a closer drive from Phoenix than Champaign from Chicago. Also Tucson metro area has a population of approx 1 million itself.Why would the Big10 want either AZ school? Neither is up to Big10 academic standards. Phoenix as a city watches pro sports. AZ has good basketball teams (which evidence indicates they payed for). Tuscon is nuts for AZ basketball. Tuscon is not Phoenix.
Oregon isn't up to the Big10 academic standards either. They also were under scrutiny for paying players pre-NIL. Even with these two strikes, it would not surprise me if they got a Nebraska exception despite our seeing how well that one worked out. I wonder how much we would have to pay Nebraska to move back to the Big12. The improvements in brand and profits might be worth it.
One news report (Norlander?) said that June 30th was the last day that a team could leave the Pac12 without financial penalties. That makes this announcement timing very interesting if the Big10 really was after additional Pac12 schools. I would have expected the first few last week, so that the others could announce by today.
Funny, and yes this is a fast changing dynamic.what is basic cable? Is that still a thing?
I would throw Cal in there today as well...UCLA just left there fellow school to fend for themselvesTell that to Oklahoma State. Sadly, this is about money. Period.
Plus Maryland left the ACC despite that same buyout ($52 million, though they reached a settlement to pay just $31.4 million instead). If being in the Big 10 means $10-30 million more than being in the ACC on a yearly basis it makes sense to pay the penalty, even though it is a large number. You'll come out ahead before that GOR even expires.I wonder if the next most important target won't be on the east coast. Maryland and Rutgers don't have much cachet. PSU to some extent. Sounds like the buyouts for ACC are pretty high but perhaps something can be worked out if the numbers are big enough.
Miami and Syracuse would be the two I'd like to see.
there not, But A & M was different because Texas wasn't getting left out of anything. But politics play a part when they can, VA Tech to the ACC was mostly Virginia politics. Politics plays a part when they have leverage, I think at this point any leverage the PAC 12 and California politics had is gone, it will be an every school for themselves mentality at this point.Texas A&M went to SEC w/o Texas. Oklahoma has moved w Texas, but Ok-st stayed behind. Where are these rules written?
there not, But A & M was different because Texas wasn't getting left out of anything. But politics play a part when they can, VA Tech to the ACC was mostly Virginia politics. Politics plays a part when they have leverage, I think at this point any leverage the PAC 12 and California politics had is gone, it will be an every school for themselves mentality at this point.
Maryland left before Grant of rights, there was a significant penalty, but ACC kicked it up a notch after MD left. In theory all the ACC TV rights are owned by the ACC until 2036, that is a long time to wait to make any money off of an ACC team. They may be able to be pried away a couple years early from what I have read, but sounds like short term it is too expensive for anyone but maybe ND who hasn't assigned Football rights to the ACCPlus Maryland left the ACC despite that same buyout ($52 million, though they reached a settlement to pay just $31.4 million instead). If being in the Big 10 means $10-30 million more than being in the ACC on a yearly basis it makes sense to pay the penalty, even though it is a large number. You'll come out ahead before that GOR even expires.
Exactly.He pretends this hasn't been all about money for decades already. It's not the conferences that should be called out for not innovating; it's the NCAA. The NCAA put profit over a viable management/government/enforcement structure years ago and this is just the end result of that process.
Agreed. The NCAA as an organization left its’ head stuck in the sand for too long. But we have to remember what the NCAA is and always has been . . . a member-run organization.He pretends this hasn't been all about money for decades already. It's not the conferences that should be called out for not innovating; it's the NCAA. The NCAA put profit over a viable management/government/enforcement structure years ago and this is just the end result of that process.
This all assumes that 1. the GOR holds up in court and 2. some kind of settlement can't be reached. I don't think either is a lock.Maryland left before Grant of rights, there was a significant penalty, but ACC kicked it up a notch after MD left. In theory all the ACC TV rights are owned by the ACC until 2036, that is a long time to wait to make any money off of an ACC team. They may be able to be pried away a couple years early from what I have read, but sounds like short term it is too expensive for anyone but maybe ND who hasn't assigned Football rights to the ACC