But they do. They've consistently been at the top of the Pac 12 for football attendance and revenue (above Oregon, USC and UCLA). This article ranks them as the 19th most valuable program in college football, above several programs already in the B1G.Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
First the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall now USC and UCLA to the B$G all in my lifetime. I never saw it coming.
If Billy Joel were writing "We Didn't Start the Fire" today he could probably constrain it to January 1, 2020 to present and it would be like a 15 minute song.
First the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall now USC and UCLA to the B$G all in my lifetime. I never saw it coming.
Those who are tossing out scenarios where the B1G grabs up multiple schools scrambling to find new homes are completely ignoring how the B1G always operates in these scenarios.
1. The B1G methodically negotiates with one or two teams, and then holds pat for several years, regardless of the landscape around them. They just don’t Willy nilly scoop up desperate teams.
2. The B1G values media market presence. Rutgers and Maryland were brought in because they were inroads to the NY and DC markets respectively. Nebraska is a smaller market, obviously, but it’s the lone player in that market. There’s no Nebraska State they would siphon off eyeballs.
UCLA and USC bring in dominance in the #2 media market, The conference now either controls or has major presence in the top four markets;
New York - Rutgers
Los Angeles - USC and UCLA
Chicago - Illinois, Northwestern, et al
Philadelphia - Penn State
The 5th market is Dallas-Ft Worth. Tapping into the Texas market has always been a goal of the B1G, but UT seems to be the only team there with statewide pull. The rest are regional draws.
The next logical choices, should the B1G not want to stand pat, are Cal and Stanford, giving the conference dominance in the nation’s #6 media market. That would give the B1G presence or dominance in 5 of the top six markets and seven of the top ten, which includes DC at #9 (Maryland).
Notre Dame, of course, would be the wild card.
Washington is a top 25 football program all-time with a couple national championships in living memory of many of the people on this board. Don James is amongst the most legendary coaches in college football history.Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
because I can be on campus in under an hourCan someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
Where's Duke?Big Ten West: UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Wash
Big Ten Midwest: Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, Northwestern, ILL
Big Ten Mideast: Purdue, Indiana Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio State
Big Ten East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Virginia, Florida State
Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
Who would you like to trade for them?Where's Duke?
#1 in Pac-12 revenue as recently as 2019Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
Seems to be where this is all heading, especially if we’re talking a 20, 24, 30(!) team conference eventually. IMO the conference is already too big as it is, and this makes it much worse.I am all for expansion, but man I hope we aren’t in a situation where we are separated from our old rivals like Michigan or OSU and only playing twice every 16 years or something.
Where's Duke?
I don't think it's sad. It's a marketing bonanza and a shrewd school will take advantage of it to better their academic programs. It's a real opportunity to benefit from the massive dollars moving through athletics programs.How sad … but thanks for enlightening me.
You have to remember football is driving this bus.Durham
Flip answer aside, I don't see them as a take.
Texas A&M has statewide pull nearly equal to that of Texas. Texas Tech, on the other hand, has statewide pull among people who didn't get into UT or TAMU. But I don't think the B1G would want Tech.Those who are tossing out scenarios where the B1G grabs up multiple schools scrambling to find new homes are completely ignoring how the B1G always operates in these scenarios.
1. The B1G methodically negotiates with one or two teams, and then holds pat for several years, regardless of the landscape around them. They just don’t Willy nilly scoop up desperate teams.
2. The B1G values media market presence. Rutgers and Maryland were brought in because they were inroads to the NY and DC markets respectively. Nebraska is a smaller market, obviously, but it’s the lone player in that market. There’s no Nebraska State they would siphon off eyeballs.
UCLA and USC bring in dominance in the #2 media market, The conference now either controls or has major presence in the top four markets;
New York - Rutgers
Los Angeles - USC and UCLA
Chicago - Illinois, Northwestern, et al
Philadelphia - Penn State
The 5th market is Dallas-Ft Worth. Tapping into the Texas market has always been a goal of the B1G, but UT seems to be the only team there with statewide pull. The rest are regional draws.
The next logical choices, should the B1G not want to stand pat, are Cal and Stanford, giving the conference dominance in the nation’s #6 media market. That would give the B1G presence or dominance in 5 of the top six markets and seven of the top ten, which includes DC at #9 (Maryland).
Notre Dame, of course, would be the wild card.
But now the Illini are guaranteed a trip to Pasadena every few years.The beloved have been to the Rose Bowl twice in my lifetime, and were beaten by the (Extra) B1G's two new teams.
Not sure how I feel about it. Just an interesting thing.
And when MSU wanted to join, scUM protested heavily.....Things are moving way too fast for me. I understand that the University of Chicago Maroons left the Big 10 way back and Michigan State became a member in 1950. Correct?
Freeze them out.... Forever ! !Yahoo reporting that Washington and Oregon have applied for membership. That'll be a formality. Pressure's on ND. Hold your nose and join (with Stanford) or take a huge risk at being frozen out,