USC, UCLA to join the Big Ten in 2024

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Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
 
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First the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall now USC and UCLA to the B$G all in my lifetime. I never saw it coming.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
UW:
very good school academically
AAU member
Seattle market is big and getting bigger
very good football brand - maybe not so much the past 5-10 years, but they were VERY BIG during the 1980's -early 2000's. you just dont know enough about history of college football. things are cyclical. (see Nebraska - they will come back as well )
you would bring them in with Oregon and lock up the 3 west coast states

They are a lock, imo, and word is they asked already
 
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Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
But they do. They've consistently been at the top of the Pac 12 for football attendance and revenue (above Oregon, USC and UCLA). This article ranks them as the 19th most valuable program in college football, above several programs already in the B1G.

 
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Those who are tossing out scenarios where the B1G grabs up multiple schools scrambling to find new homes are completely ignoring how the B1G always operates in these scenarios.

1. The B1G methodically negotiates with one or two teams, and then holds pat for several years, regardless of the landscape around them. They just don’t Willy nilly scoop up desperate teams.

2. The B1G values media market presence. Rutgers and Maryland were brought in because they were inroads to the NY and DC markets respectively. Nebraska is a smaller market, obviously, but it’s the lone player in that market. There’s no Nebraska State they would siphon off eyeballs.

UCLA and USC bring in dominance in the #2 media market, The conference now either controls or has major presence in the top four markets;

New York - Rutgers
Los Angeles - USC and UCLA
Chicago - Illinois, Northwestern, et al
Philadelphia - Penn State

The 5th market is Dallas-Ft Worth. Tapping into the Texas market has always been a goal of the B1G, but UT seems to be the only team there with statewide pull. The rest are regional draws.

The next logical choices, should the B1G not want to stand pat, are Cal and Stanford, giving the conference dominance in the nation’s #6 media market. That would give the B1G presence or dominance in 5 of the top six markets and seven of the top ten, which includes DC at #9 (Maryland).

Notre Dame, of course, would be the wild card.

Both schools have the academic rankings that the BT loves.
 
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Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
Washington is a top 25 football program all-time with a couple national championships in living memory of many of the people on this board. Don James is amongst the most legendary coaches in college football history.

They’re not on the same historical level as Michigan, Ohio State, Penn St, Nebraska and USC, but they’re in that group just a notch below. They would be a fine addition to the Big 10.
 
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Big Ten West: UCLA, USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Wash
Big Ten Midwest: Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, Northwestern, ILL
Big Ten Mideast: Purdue, Indiana Notre Dame, Mich, MSU, Ohio State
Big Ten East: Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UNC, Virginia, Florida State
Where's Duke?
 
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Can someone explain why we would want Washington in the BIG? Just for the Seattle tv market? They don't have a very established brand compared to Oregon or Standford.
#1 in Pac-12 revenue as recently as 2019

 
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SuperMetroid

Evanston
I am all for expansion, but man I hope we aren’t in a situation where we are separated from our old rivals like Michigan or OSU and only playing twice every 16 years or something.
Seems to be where this is all heading, especially if we’re talking a 20, 24, 30(!) team conference eventually. IMO the conference is already too big as it is, and this makes it much worse.
But, you know, gotta get that cash.🙄🙄🙄
 
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My extremely uninformed brain goes with UNC/Clemson as the next annexed territories.
 
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sacraig

The desert
Those who are tossing out scenarios where the B1G grabs up multiple schools scrambling to find new homes are completely ignoring how the B1G always operates in these scenarios.

1. The B1G methodically negotiates with one or two teams, and then holds pat for several years, regardless of the landscape around them. They just don’t Willy nilly scoop up desperate teams.

2. The B1G values media market presence. Rutgers and Maryland were brought in because they were inroads to the NY and DC markets respectively. Nebraska is a smaller market, obviously, but it’s the lone player in that market. There’s no Nebraska State they would siphon off eyeballs.

UCLA and USC bring in dominance in the #2 media market, The conference now either controls or has major presence in the top four markets;

New York - Rutgers
Los Angeles - USC and UCLA
Chicago - Illinois, Northwestern, et al
Philadelphia - Penn State

The 5th market is Dallas-Ft Worth. Tapping into the Texas market has always been a goal of the B1G, but UT seems to be the only team there with statewide pull. The rest are regional draws.

The next logical choices, should the B1G not want to stand pat, are Cal and Stanford, giving the conference dominance in the nation’s #6 media market. That would give the B1G presence or dominance in 5 of the top six markets and seven of the top ten, which includes DC at #9 (Maryland).

Notre Dame, of course, would be the wild card.
Texas A&M has statewide pull nearly equal to that of Texas. Texas Tech, on the other hand, has statewide pull among people who didn't get into UT or TAMU. But I don't think the B1G would want Tech.

I also don't think methodical means slow. UT/OU to the SEC and now UCLA/USC to the B1G are, combined, a seismic shift. Sometimes things move so quickly that moving fast is necessary and this may be one of them. You better believe that the SEC has been fielding calls from interested schools who feel the old order is about to crumble and who want a place atop the new one.
 
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I was curious, so I compiled this for my own edification - AAU members among the major conferences, post-realignment (so far) ...

* 15 of 16 Big Ten schools (all except Nebraska)
* 7 of 10 Pac 10 schools (Arizona, Cal, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Utah, Washington)
* 5 of 16 SEC schools (Florida, Mizzou, Texas, Texas A&M, Vandy)
* 5 of 15 ACC schools (Duke, Georgia Tech, Pitt, UNC, Virginia)
* 1 of 12 Big 12 schools (Kansas)

There's another 30 schools, but none are power 5 - Ivy, UC system, etc.
 
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Things are moving way too fast for me. I understand that the University of Chicago Maroons left the Big 10 way back and Michigan State became a member in 1950. Correct?
And when MSU wanted to join, scUM protested heavily.....
 
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Yahoo reporting that Washington and Oregon have applied for membership. That'll be a formality. Pressure's on ND. Hold your nose and join (with Stanford) or take a huge risk at being frozen out,
Freeze them out.... Forever ! !
 
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