Week of 12/1 Games Thread

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derrick6
NarrowJ said:
Yet it didn’t happen in the game we’re discussing

Only going back to last season, we beat #19 at a neutral site by 13, beat #9 on the road by 32 and beat #15 on the road by 20… I think those qualify?

EDIT: If we're talking about this season only, I see no evidence UConn nor Kansas has been great or elite in their ranked matchups either....
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I’m talking body of work, so all years included.

It seems more like we beat a “highly ranked” team but they appear not to be at the end of the season.

Also, equally, we have times we lose in an ugly fashion, unable to keep it close other than the “fake” rallies.

Just my perception but I hope we continue to make the tournament and eventually break through. I believe we have the staff but maybe the philosophy needs to be tweaked.
 
#102      
derrick6
EmeraldCityIllini said:
Kansas is 1-3 in ranked matchups thus far - so maybe they need to be more physical or make more adjustments.

Your point that’s a win/loss business is true. I’m just not gonna get overly worked up about a 61 point showing as evidence of brilliant offensive adjustments. Sometimes a team just wins and another loses - or in KU’s case last night, bricks.
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Yep. UConn has the edge “this year” so far. But you know what’s consistent? Both teams had an opportunity to win the game down the stretch and often do have that opportunity.

We don’t. Without heroics and a game for the ages.
 
#103      
EmeraldCityIllini
derrick6 said:
Yep. UConn has the edge “this year” so far. But you know what’s consistent? Both teams had an opportunity to win the game down the stretch and often do have that opportunity.

We don’t. Without heroics and a game for the ages.
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what was our heroics and game for the ages that gave us an opportunity to beat Bama down the stretch?
 
#104      
Hoopster
UCLA right now
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#106      
NarrowJ
derrick6 said:
Yep. UConn has the edge “this year” so far. But you know what’s consistent? Both teams had an opportunity to win the game down the stretch and often do have that opportunity.

We don’t. Without heroics and a game for the ages.
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So @derrick6

1. You were dead wrong about Kansas, they're 1-3 vs ranked teams, why not at least acknowledge that?
2. Yes, they both had the opportunity to win the game down the stretch because they both played like absolute doo doo and the game was played in the 50s like an old Weber-ball bonanza of missed shots and turnovers, both teams were dreadful

Just admit both teams played like dogsh1t because they did

Heroics for the ages? :ROFLMAO: My guy, that is even more myopic mental masturbation than trying to present UConn's 61 point showing as a "masterclass"

derrick6 said:
Bam. But my point is consistency.
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He missed 10 field goal attempts (and missed every single 3 point attempt he took in that game)

All we needed to do is make FTs and we win that game, full stop. If you think making 72% of your free throws is “heroics for the ages” then nobody can help you here.
 
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EmeraldCityIllini
Illini 993 said:
Iowa State went 22-30 on 3s tonight enroute to a 132-68 win against Alcorn State, and also had 33 assists and 17 steals. I'd like to see a game where the Illini come out and play lights out against someone - it might be pretty spectacular.
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Showdown at Mackey looming Saturday . With no Lipsey though, just don’t think they’ll have the firepower.
 
#110      
derrick6
NarrowJ said:
So @derrick6

1. You were dead wrong about Kansas, they're 1-3 vs ranked teams, why not at least acknowledge that?
2. Yes, they both had the opportunity to win the game down the stretch because they both played like absolute doo doo and the game was played in the 50s like an old Weber-ball bonanza of missed shots and turnovers, both teams were dreadful

Just admit both teams played like dogsh1t because they did

Heroics for the ages? :ROFLMAO: My guy, that is even more myopic mental masturbation than trying to present UConn's 61 point showing as a "masterclass"



He missed 10 field goal attempts (and missed every single 3 point attempt he took in that game)

All we needed to do is make FTs and we win that game, full stop. If you think making 72% of your free throws is “heroics for the ages” then nobody can help you here.
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Seems like you want to debate individual data points whereas my observation is a trend. I am hoping we win the close games going forward where we play like dog$. I have no agenda other than acknowledging the UConn and Kansas team’s ability to win close games.

As for Bam in that UConn game, he absolutely made some great plays to keep us in striking distance. You can quote a static box score with no context to make your point but it falls apart when you watch the game and see the momentum swings.

Anyway, I’d love to see Bam do some of the things he displayed consistently. It’s not all about 3 point shooting. In fact, that’s the problem thinking it is 3 pointer or layup, imo.
 
#111      
NarrowJ
derrick6 said:
Seems like you want to debate individual data points whereas my observation is a trend. I am hoping we win the close games going forward where we play like dog$. I have no agenda other than acknowledging the UConn and Kansas team’s ability to win close games.
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Kansas has shown no such thing this season, the only game they've had with < 10 point spread is the UConn game (which they lost). UConn is only 2-1 in such games as well, so you're now wrong for like the 387th time so far in this thread.

derrick6 said:
As for Bam in that UConn game, he absolutely made some great plays to keep us in striking distance. You can quote a static box score with no context to make your point but it falls apart when you watch the game and see the momentum swings.
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You were talking about the Bama game, now you're talking about the UConn game? Nothing is falling apart on my end here, you opined that we needed 'heroics for the ages' from KB in the Bama game (which has also been proven to be false)... so now you're left with a single game result to base your entire argument upon, and we all know single game results in a vacuum are utterly useless measuring tools.
 
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EmeraldCityIllini
derrick6 said:
Seems like you want to debate individual data points whereas my observation is a trend. I am hoping we win the close games going forward where we play like dog$. I have no agenda other than acknowledging the UConn and Kansas team’s ability to win close games.

As for Bam in that UConn game, he absolutely made some great plays to keep us in striking distance. You can quote a static box score with no context to make your point but it falls apart when you watch the game and see the momentum swings.

Anyway, I’d love to see Bam do some of the things he displayed consistently. It’s not all about 3 point shooting. In fact, that’s the problem thinking it is 3 pointer or layup, imo.
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I thought Bam and Andrej were both really good that game - in fact, the Bam 2 first half fouls, one of which was ridiculous, I think sneakily swung that game when Bama without Philon was able to hang in the final 5 minutes of the half.

That said, if we're calling that a "game for the ages" from Bam and the only reason we were in it at the end, it just kinda sounds like we're going wayyyyy out of our way to try and criticize Underwood. And if that's the logic, do i give Oats no credit for the win and say the only reason they won was an out of body Philon experience?
 
#113      
NarrowJ
EmeraldCityIllini said:
I thought Bam and Andrej were both really good that game - in fact, the Bam 2 first half fouls, one of which was ridiculous, I think sneakily swung that game when Bama without Philon was able to hang in the final 5 minutes of the half.

That said, if we're calling that a "game for the ages" from Bam and the only reason we were in it at the end, it just kinda sounds like we're going wayyyyy out of our way to try and criticize Underwood. And if that's the logic, do i give Oats no credit for the win and say the only reason they won was an out of body Philon experience?
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Also neither Alabama or UConn could be a “KB heroic performance for the ages” considering he didn’t even really get close to his career high in either game
 
#114      
dish3
Skyy Clark with a great game against UW last night, 6 for 6 on 3s, took some charges early, and made clutch free throws late. Diallo looks much better this season, better pacing, and Steinbach is a magnet for the ball, seemed automatic when he collects the ball close to the rim.
 
#115      
derrick6
When did I mention Bama game? That’s an example of when we were in it until the end. I think you’ve got your wires crossed. This thread was clearly about UConn.

You also state 2-1 as a bad thing for UConn. Sounds like your bar is higher than mine so I’ll leave it at that.

You are so bent on right and wrong. At a minimum, you could show some awareness and add “up to this point”. Otherwise saying something is right or wrong is shortsighted. Again, debating single data points.
 
#116      
derrick6
Where did Bama reference come from?? Serious question
 
#117      
derrick6
Ahh, now I get it. You and narrow conflated a general statement of what it takes for Illinois to win these top tier matchups and my comment on Bam IN THE UCONN game.

You’ve made up “game for the ages” and “Bam in the Bama game” between the two of you.

So I’ll leave you two at it to discuss further. Wasn’t my words or thoughts.
 
#124      
altgeld88
band camp said:
IU being at nearly the top of the CFP and at the same time being not that great at basketball is funny to me.
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When we were getting about raced in Bloomington in September (I was, painfully, at the game) I hit the men's room at the stadium at halftime. Young guy in line next to me confided that his fear about the football team's rise is that the basketball team, which he casually noted is nationally venerated, will be overshadowed.

"Umm hmm" was my reply, with a grave nod of my head as I struggled to keep a straight face.

That was the only moment of solace I had that evening.
 
#125      
Fighter of the Nightman
altgeld88 said:
When we were getting about raced in Bloomington in September (I was, painfully, at the game) I hit the men's room at the stadium at halftime. Young guy in line next to me confided that his fear about the football team's rise is that the basketball team, which he casually noted is nationally venerated, will be overshadowed.

"Umm hmm" was my reply, with a grave nod of my head as I struggled to keep a straight face.

That was the only moment of solace I had that evening.
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I’m genuinely almost jealous how Indiana fans continue to believe in their own importance without questioning a single thing and despite all evidence to the contrary for 30+ years.
 
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