Week of 12/29 Games Thread
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OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
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With all due respect, you simply could not be more wrong about any of these comments.
First of all, officials ARE held accountable for poor performances (I used to officiate college soccer before retiring after some injuries and a job change, so speak from experience). Officials have been publicly admonished and removed from assignments. Even if they are not, they are not given high-profile assignments in the future once the next round of assignments come out. This official will not get a high-profile ACC game like the Louisville-UNC game this season (I'm taking Duke-UNC off the table, as only officials who are Final Four-caliber work those games). Adam Flores will spend the rest of his ACC schedule working games like SMU-Pitt.
In any case, what Shrewsberry did last night would be a fireable offense in regular business life. If one of my employees went after a vendor, customer, or other profesional like Shrewsberry did last night, there wouldn't be a reprimand. That employee would have about 20 minutes to clear his desk with security hovering behind him and would be walked out in full public view. Condoning behavior like this is simply not acceptable. If Shrewsberry was mad (and he had every right to be), comment after the game. Send the video to the ACC office and speak with the officiating supervisor. There are plenty of ways to deal with this than to assault the official and force your players to restrain you so you don't punch the official in question.
If you want to understand why there is a severe officiating shortage in this country, condoning behavior like this (and a "hey, don't try to assult our officials again" reprimand is a pretty good sign that no one thinks this is a big deal) is a pretty good way to continue that.
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LMAOOOO! Georgia what are you doing? Game is heading to overtime 92-92. Georgia player fouled an Auburn player from behind with .7 second left in regulation as the Auburn player attempted a 3. Auburn made the first two free throws, missed the third on purpose, Auburn recovered the rebound and made the basket to force overtime. Wow.
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Crazy finish to regulation. I re-watched the foul in question on the 3 pt attempt. Phantom call.
NIL is bringing next level crazy to the coaches nowNC State loses by 15 at home to Virginia
Darrion Williams play has fallen off a cliff. Brutal for NC State given he's one of the highest paid In the game. NC State has no shot of doing anything if he's not a star. Can't remember the Field of 68 guy that called him the best college basketball player LAST season
I think Will Wade is gonna get asked about him again after today.......Wade did himself nor Darrion Williams any favors in the future with that outburst. Just put a larger spotlight on it.
I doubt anyone sincerely believes our coach should behave this way.
A coach has lots of ways to protest a call without needing to be restrained while running after the ref. How will you get people to want to ref if that’s considered ok? Call the commissioner of the conference. Make a statement to the press.
Being a ref is hard. And when mistakes are made that deserve discipline they aren’t going to tell us the ref was fined or lowered in pay grade or given a reduced schedule. So none of us know what consequences they face.
Say anything about it, yes. Do anything about it, no. Could you imagine a ref being allowed to punch Brad in the face because he's been on their case all game?
It's game played by humans, coached by humans and reffed by humans. All of them make mistakes. Getting physical isn't an option. If you want to get irate and go on a verbal tirade to the press, fine, go nuts.
He got a better offer and we didn’t match. That’s on us.
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I understood he signed the contract and then walked away from us for a better deal. That's on him.
Agree with everything you are saying, and appreciate the real life perspective.
Shrewsberry did not speak to the media post game, but did issue an apology today; as he should have. Cannot have coaches, players, or fans physically threatening officials. And I am sure he will face very public consequences for his actions very soon.
With that said, and I've been super critical of officials and have mentioned this in the past. They have no public accountability like players and coaches. They do not have to answer reporters' questions about calls, what they saw, why they made/missed critical calls. That is frustrating for fans that very, very rarely ever hear of any consequences or review of officials' game performance while seeing them continue to work multiple games every week. I'm not saying they should have to attend a press conference after every game, but there needs to be some sort of feedback or recognition of poor performance. Not sure there is a perfect solution, but continually stonewalling fans while officiating never improves contributes greatly to the low regard of the profession, generally speaking.
I agree. If he signed, we cannot just say "oh, you got a bigger offer? Let's tear it up and here's more money". If we do, every player will do that every other week.
The "system" right now is anarchy, and Morez played it to his advantage. C'est la vie.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
All of this is fair, and I appreciate your balanced perspective.
I wish there was a better way to increase transparency regarding officials’ post game comments. The times I’ve seen a pool report or items like the NBA’s Last Two Minute report, the fans’ response is generally, “The call sucked, and the explanation sucked too.” I think the reason there is not more transparency is the leagues don’t think it will do any good. Fans won’t sit back and say, “Wait-maybe I don’t like the call, but the ref’s explanation makes sense.”
I’m not trying to downplay this, but I see what the general reactions of fans are related to anything officials do or say. I can understand why leagues just think it’s better to have zero or little comment from officials after games. If we can ever figure out how to balance this, I’m all in favor of more communication from officials.
ACC publicly reprimands Notre Dame coach Micah Shrewsberry
The ACC has issued a public reprimand of Micah Shrewsberry following an incident between the Notre Dame coach and an official at the end of the Fighting Irish's loss at California.www.espn.com
I’ll be clear-it was a bad call. But you cannot just reprimand a coach for what Shrewsberry did. Had he not been restrained, there’s no doubt in my mind he makes some sort of physical contact. Should have been at least a two-game suspension.
Notice his apology statement -
I want to apologize to our team, our University and its leaders, to Coach Madsen and his team, and to the ACC, as my actions were unacceptable.
Basically, everyone but the person/people who the tirade was directed towards.
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FSU giving Duke all they can handle.
The people’s approval he needs to keep his job.
Ah, you're an official. There's no bias there at all.
You're waiting to see what happens to Shrewsberry. I'm waiting to see what happens to the official. Get back to me when there's a public apology from the official or a suspension from the ACC.
You're not going to convince me that there is actual accountability for these officials. You said it yourself - there's a shortage of them. They have pretty good job security and face zero public consequences for any of their actions. They're grown men who never have to admit when they make a mistake and they make A LOT of them, some of which impact people's livelihoods.
EDIT: Do you see how emphatic the little slimy-looking referee was in making the absolute incorrect and-1 call? I somehow doubt this was the first time he rubbed Shrewsberry the wrong way.
You're waiting to see what happens to Shrewsberry. I'm waiting to see what happens to the official. Get back to me when there's a public apology from the official or a suspension from the ACC.
You're not going to convince me that there is actual accountability for these officials. You said it yourself - there's a shortage of them. They have pretty good job security and face zero public consequences for any of their actions. They're grown men who never have to admit when they make a mistake and they make A LOT of them, some of which impact people's livelihoods.
EDIT: Do you see how emphatic the little slimy-looking referee was in making the absolute incorrect and-1 call? I somehow doubt this was the first time he rubbed Shrewsberry the wrong way.
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There is recognition of mistakes. Conferences issue press releases. It’s not unusual to see in a given season a conference put out a press release explaining and apologizing for a blown call. And there have been cases where officials have been publicly reprimanded.
Anything more than that I think would be a bad idea. You can’t have officials answering questions from the media after games. It would make that individual referee the focus of that game and result in threats. You’d have officials misspeaking poor sound by its being taken out of context and in doing so make the situation worse.
Poorly called games are frustrating. I’ve been there many times. But these guys are human. If any of us had thousands or millions of people scrutinizing everything we do in our own jobs they’d find things to accuse us of as well. I don’t think putting individual officials more in the spotlight is going to help anything.
Iowa looks really good.
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