Week of 2/2 Bracketology

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#151      
This might not be exactly what you are asking for, but it's the easiest way I could think to do it. This is where each #2 seed finished in the last 20 NCAA Tournaments, so 80 different #2 seeds...
As a follow-up to this for #1 seeds over the same time period...

2025 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Final Four
2024 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen
2023 - Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round, First Round
2022 - National Champion, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2021 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Second Round
2019 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2018 - National Champion, Final Four, Second Round, First Round
2017 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Second Round
2016 - National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2015 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Second Round
2014 - Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2013 - National Champion, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2012 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2011 - Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2010 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2009 - National Champion, Final Four, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2008 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Final Four
2007 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2006 - Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2005 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen

So of the 80 teams...
- 2 (2.5%) lost in the First Round. So 78 (97.5%) at least made it to the Second Round. These were of course the first two losses ever!
- 10 (12.5%) lost in the Second Round. So 68 (85.0%) at least made it to the Sweet Sixteen.
- 17 (21.3%) lost in the Sweet Sixteen. So 51 (63.8%) made it to the Elite Eight or beyond.
- 19 (23.8%) lost in the Elite Eight. So 32 (40.0%) made it to the Final Four or beyond.
- 8 (10.0%) lost in their first Final Four game. So 24 (30.0%) made it to the National Championship Game.
- Of the 24 that played for a title, 9 (11.3%) finished as National Runner Up and 15 (18.8%) won the National Championship.

Kind of interesting note here that corroborates the old adage that it's just about who is hot come March. In this time span, a #1 seed only made it to the Final Four 40% of the time. However, IF a #1 seed made it to the Final Four, it also won that first Final Four game 75% of the time and would go on to win it all almost 63% of the time.

In other words, it's not that uncommon for #1 seeds to underachieve and lose early, but it's actually pretty rare for them to make it all the way to the Final Four and get knocked out before the National Championship Game.

Just for some bonus content over this same period since I was already looking it up, here was the make up of the Final Four by year. National Champion listed first, National Runner Up listed second and then the other two Final Four participants.

2025 - #1, #1, #1, #1
2024 - #1, #1, #4, #11
2023 - #4, #5, #5, #9
2022 - #1, #8, #2, #2
2021 - #1, #1, #2, #11
2019 - #1, #3, #2, #5
2018 - #1, #3, #1, #11
2017 - #1, #1, #3, #7
2016 - #2, #1, #2, #10
2015 - #1, #1, #1, #7
2014 - #7, #8, #1, #2
2013 - #1, #4, #4, #9
2012 - #1, #2, #2, #4
2011 - #3, #8, #4, #11
2010 - #1, #5, #2, #5
2009 - #1, #2, #1, #3
2008 - #1, #1, #1, #1
2007 - #1, #1, #2, #2
2006 - #3, #2, #4, #11
2005 - #1, #1, #4, #5

Some of us might still be a bit scarred by the Loyola loss, but getting a #1 seed REALLY sets you up for a great Tournament run, and it really is that big of a deal to get one. Let's remember that our previous three #1 seeds resulted in a Final Four, Elite Eight and National Runner Up. You are just setting yourself up on such a favorable path if you can show up prepared and execute well, and you're even provided a good bit of margin of error by getting to play slightly worse teams all the way until the Final Four.

Just using the current bracket matrix and trying to cherry pick Illini opponents as much as possible for illustrative purposes, this would be an example of two potential paths for Illinois:

Illini #1 Seed Path
St. Louis, MO

(1) Some #16 seed
(2) Winner of #8 Iowa and #9 Wisconsin

Chicago, IL
(3) Winner of #4 Texas Tech and #5 Tennessee
(4) Winner of #2 Nebraska and #3 Purdue (after they've both had to play each other in a dog fight)

Illini #2 Seed Path
St. Louis, MO

(1) Some #15 seed
(2) Winner of #7 Saint Louis and #10 UCLA

Washington, DC
(3) Winner of #3 Purdue and #6 Arkansas
(4) Winner of #1 UConn and #4 Florida (after presumably having a very tough Sweet Sixteen game)

When playing for a shot at our first Final Four since 2005, give me playing a Nebraska/Purdue type in front of an orange clad United Center crowd over playing UConn in Washington, DC seven days a week and twice on Sunday!
 
#152      
As a demonstration of how a bracket is actually put together, I'll use the metrics bracket I showed yesterday to build a legal bracket.

Here is the S-curve:

1. Michigan
2. Arizona
3. Duke
4. Iowa St.
5. Houston
6. Illinois
7. UConn
8. Purdue
9. Florida
10. Gonzaga
11. Michigan St.
12. Nebraska
13. Vanderbilt
14. Kansas
15. Louisville
16. Virginia
17. Tennessee
18. BYU
19. Texas Tech
20. Iowa
21. Alabama
22. Saint Louis
23. St. John's
24. Arkansas
25. NC State
26. North Carolina
27. Auburn
28. Indiana
29. Clemson
30. Utah St.
31. Texas A&M
32. Villanova
33. Kentucky
34. SMU
35. St. Mary's
36. Wisconsin
37. Georgia
38. Santa Clara
39. Miami FL
40. UCLA
41. New Mexico
42. UCF*
43. USC*
44. Tulsa
45. Belmont
46. Oklahoma St.*
47. McNeese
48. Yale
49. Miami OH
50. George Mason*
51. Liberty
52. Utah Valley
53. Hawaii
54. High Point
55. UNCW
56. St. Thomas
57. ETSU
58. Oakland
59. Marshall
60. Portland St.
61. Austin Peay
62. Marist
63. UT Martin
64. Navy
65. LIU*
66. Vermont*
67. Bethune-Cookman*
68. Howard*

So right away we know the play-in games are UCF-USC, Oklahoma State-George Mason, LIU-Vermont, and Bethune Cookman-Howard.

Next, we assign regions from teams 1-4. Michigan is 1, their region will be Midwest (Chicago). Arizona at 2 will get the West region (Las Vegas). Duke at 3 gets the East region (DC), and Iowa State gets the South region (Houston), as that's what is left.

Next up is the pods for the first two rounds, assigned from teams 1 to 16. Half of the pods are Thursday-Saturday (TS) pods, half are Friday-Sunday (FS) pods. BYU must be in a TS pod (and a TS region! which means they have to be in the West or South regional, luck for them). Play-ins will be split, as Tuesday play-ins will go to a TS pod and Wednesday play-ins will go to a FS pod. It's also a rule you can't play at home, which this year would make it so San Diego State can't play in San DIego, but that's the only specific one here for an at-large quality team (hosts are Niagara, Furman, Oregon State, South Florida, St. Joseph's and San Diego State. Oklahoma City is in the NBA stadium, and St. Louis is the Enterprise Center). Here are the sites and dates:

TS Buffalo, NY
TS Greenville, SC
TS Oklahoma City, OK
TS Portland, OR
FS Tampa, FL
FS Philadelphia, PA
FS San Diego, CA
FS St. Louis, MO

1. Michigan would get Buffalo, NY and the Tuesday play-in winner of Bethune-Cookman and Howard.
2. Arizona would get San Diego, CA and the Wednesday play-in winner of LIU and Vermont.
3. Duke would get Greenville, SC and play 64 Navy in the first round.
4. Iowa State would get St. Louis, MO and play 63 UT Martin in the first round.
5. Houston would get Oklahoma City, OK and play 62 Marist in the first round.
6. Illinois would get St. Louis, MO and play 61 Austin Peay in the first round.
7. UConn would get Philadelphia, PA and play 60 Portland State in the first round.
8. Purdue would get Buffalo, NY (80 miles closer than Greenville) and play 59 Marshall in the first round.
9. Florida would get Tampa, FL and play 58 Oakland in the first round.
10. Gonzaga would get Portland, OR and play 57 ETSU in the first round.
11. Michigan State would get Philadelphia, PA and play 56 St. Thomas in the first round.
12. Nebraska would get Oklahoma City, OK and play 55 UNC Wilmington in the first round.
13. Vanderbilt would get Greenville, SC and play 54 High Point in the first round.
14. Kansas would get Tampa FL (somehow the closest option left) and would play 53 Hawaii in the first round, but due to travel concerns and the fact that there's a San Diego pod game left, they'd probably play 52 Utah Valley.
15. Louisville would get San Diego, CA (it's that or Portland, guess which is closer) and play 53 Hawaii in the first round.
16. Virginia would get Portland, OR and play 51 Liberty in the first round.

Now that regions and pods are established, build a legal bracket for the top 4 seeds:

Midwest (FS-Chicago): (34)
TS-Buffalo, NY 1 (1) Michigan vs 16b Bethune-Cookman/Howard
FS-Philadelphia, PA 2 (7) UConn vs 15 Portland State
TS-Oklahoma City, OK 3 (12) Nebraska vs 14 UNC Wilmington
FS-Tampa, FL 4 (14) Kansas vs 13 Utah Valley

South (TS-Houston): (36)
FS-St. Louis, MO 1 (4) Iowa State vs 16 UT Martin
FS-St. Louis, MO 2 (6) Illinois vs 15 Austin Peay
TS-Portland, OR 3 (10) Gonzaga vs 14 ETSU
TS-Portland, OR 4 (16) Virginia vs 13 Liberty

West (TS-Las Vegas): (34)
FS-San Diego, CA 1 (2) Arizona vs 16a LIU/Vermont
TS-Buffalo, NY 2 (8) Purdue vs 15 Marshall
FS-Tampa, FL 3 (9) Florida vs 14 Oakland
FS-San Diego, CA 4 (15) Louisville vs 13 Hawaii

East (FS-Washington DC): (32)
TS-Greenville, SC 1 (3) Duke vs 16 Navy
TS-Oklahoma City, OK 2 (5) Houston vs 15 Marist
FS-Philadelphia, PA 3 (11) Michigan State vs 14 St. Thomas
TS-Greenville, SC 4 (13) Vanderbilt vs 13 High Point

Rules followed:
- The top 4 teams in each conference should be in separate regions if possible. (Houston and Illinois swapped, Purdue and UConn swapped, MSU gets the last region, Nebraska the 5th team, Duke-Louisville-Virginia in separate regions, Florida-Vandy in separate regions, Arizona-Iowa State-Houston-Kansas in separate regions)
- The combined sum of seeds should be as close as possible. 32-34-34-36 not bad.

Finally, fill in the rest of the bracket, adhering to the following rules:
- Avoid rematches in the first round.
- Avoid teams that played each other twice in the regular season in the second round (like Illinois and Nebraska, for example)
- Avoid teams that played each other thrice in the regular season in the third round (so like if Illinois/Nebraska played again in the BTT, they would avoid each other in the NCAAs until the E8)
- BYU can't be in a FS region or a FS pod.
- For the other two play-in games, make sure one ends up in a TS pod and one in a FS pod.

First Four - Dayton, OH
Tuesday
16 Bethune-Cookman vs 16 Howard
11 UCF vs 11 USC
Wednesday
16 LIU vs 16 Vermont
12 Oklahoma State vs 12 George Mason

First Round
Midwest
(FS-Chicago):
TS-Buffalo, NY
1 Michigan vs 16b Bethune-Cookman/Howard
8 Villanova vs 9 Kentucky
FS-Tampa, FL
4 Kansas vs 13 Utah Valley
5 Tennessee vs 12 Oklahoma State/George Mason
FS-Philadelphia, PA
2 UConn vs 15 Portland State
7 NC State vs 10 UCLA
TS-Oklahoma City, OK
3 Nebraska vs 14 UNC Wilmington
6 Arkansas vs 11 UCF/USC

South (TS-Houston):
FS-St. Louis, MO
1 Iowa State vs 16 UT Martin
8 Clemson vs 9 Wisconsin
TS-Portland, OR
4 Virginia vs 13 Liberty
5 BYU vs 12 Miami OH
FS-St. Louis, MO
2 Illinois vs 15 Austin Peay
7 North Carolina vs 10 Georgia
TS-Portland, OR
3 Gonzaga vs 14 ETSU
6 Alabama vs 11 Belmont

West (TS-Las Vegas):
FS-San Diego, CA
1 Arizona vs 16a LIU/Vermont
8 Texas A&M vs 9 SMU
FS-San Diego, CA
4 Louisville vs 13 Hawaii
5 Texas Tech vs 12 Yale
TS-Buffalo, NY
2 Purdue vs 15 Marshall
7 Auburn vs 10 Miami FL
FS-Tampa, FL
3 Florida vs 14 Oakland
6 St. John's vs 11 New Mexico

East (FS-Washington DC):
TS-Greenville, SC
1 Duke vs 16 Navy
8 Utah State vs 9 St. Mary's
TS-Greenville, SC
4 Vanderbilt vs 13 High Point
5 Iowa vs 12 McNeese
TS-Oklahoma City, OK
2 Houston vs 15 Marist
7 Indiana vs 10 Santa Clara
FS-Philadelphia, PA
3 Michigan State vs 14 St. Thomas
6 Saint Louis vs 11 Tulsa
So which one of the brackets on bracketmatrix are you? 😉
 
#153      
Okay one more thing RE: getting the Chicago Regional ... something I care deeply about both because I think it would really help our team's chances and because I could actually maybe attend!! I like to have some Illini-centric reason to have a rooting interest in all games I watch, so...

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... Let's ignore the possibility that the Committee would hesitate to "protect" #2 seed Illinois with a Chicago Regional because it would be a perceived raw deal for a #1 seed. What other considerations could shift us out of Chicago, and how should we be rooting to prevent that? The obvious answer is just to keep winning, get a #1 seed and be the highest-seeded Big Ten team. Simple enough.

However, what are the scenarios where we could be anything less than that and still get Chicago? It seems like the least likely scenario is the current one - where Michigan remains a #1 seed and we remain a very high #2 seed. Is there ANY possibility a #2 seed Illinois gets into Chicago, or would it take a total cannibalization of Big Ten teams down the stretch?
 
#155      
Loyola would be the cherry on top...!
But they ain't finding the tournament outside some kind of stupid miracle run in the A-10 tourney. Got their 6th win on the year last night. I'm sure their admin spends lots of time wishing they'd stayed in the MVC. They tried to cash in on the once in a lifetime run to the final four & then killed the hoops program by getting out over their skis.
 
#156      
Okay one more thing RE: getting the Chicago Regional ... something I care deeply about both because I think it would really help our team's chances and because I could actually maybe attend!! I like to have some Illini-centric reason to have a rooting interest in all games I watch, so...

Explain It Season 5 GIF by The Office


... Let's ignore the possibility that the Committee would hesitate to "protect" #2 seed Illinois with a Chicago Regional because it would be a perceived raw deal for a #1 seed. What other considerations could shift us out of Chicago, and how should we be rooting to prevent that? The obvious answer is just to keep winning, get a #1 seed and be the highest-seeded Big Ten team. Simple enough.

However, what are the scenarios where we could be anything less than that and still get Chicago? It seems like the least likely scenario is the current one - where Michigan remains a #1 seed and we remain a very high #2 seed. Is there ANY possibility a #2 seed Illinois gets into Chicago, or would it take a total cannibalization of Big Ten teams down the stretch?
If Duke is the #2 and gets DC, wouldn’t UCONN pick Chicago if they were the next team before Michigan…:then Michigan gets shipped to Houston and we end up as the 2 with UCONN in Chicago.
 
#157      
Okay one more thing RE: getting the Chicago Regional ... something I care deeply about both because I think it would really help our team's chances and because I could actually maybe attend!! I like to have some Illini-centric reason to have a rooting interest in all games I watch, so...

Explain It Season 5 GIF by The Office


... Let's ignore the possibility that the Committee would hesitate to "protect" #2 seed Illinois with a Chicago Regional because it would be a perceived raw deal for a #1 seed. What other considerations could shift us out of Chicago, and how should we be rooting to prevent that? The obvious answer is just to keep winning, get a #1 seed and be the highest-seeded Big Ten team. Simple enough.

However, what are the scenarios where we could be anything less than that and still get Chicago? It seems like the least likely scenario is the current one - where Michigan remains a #1 seed and we remain a very high #2 seed. Is there ANY possibility a #2 seed Illinois gets into Chicago, or would it take a total cannibalization of Big Ten teams down the stretch?
IMO I don't think there is a way we get Chicago unless we are a 1 seed & ahead of Michigan. Since Chicago is close to Michigan it's in a unique spot. I'd be stunned if they sent us both there & equally stunned if Michigan is higher in the rankings than us if we got it over them.

If the regional was in say Minneapolis, not as big a deal, but Chicago would be 90% plus Illinois fans. We are really gonna have to earn it to get that plum of an assignment. People bitched in 2005 (non Illini fans) but no one could argue that team didn't earn the right to play close to home since they were the clear #1 team virtually the whole season. This year's team is more of a late bloomer but if they can bloom high enough could earn that spot.
 
#158      
Very good examples of how it ends up working. I have been going to the “first and second” round games now with 2 buddies from college for almost 35 years now. We have never had a problem getting them, but in 05 the cost was steep in both Chicago and STL. The dome in Indy was cheap relatively? Sometime we just get session tickets to avoid paying for the “off” session Illinois is not playing in on R or F as the case is?

But… sometimes like in Indy with UK with us worth buying the off session even if you just sell it?
 
#159      
If Duke is the #2 and gets DC, wouldn’t UCONN pick Chicago if they were the next team before Michigan…:then Michigan gets shipped to Houston and we end up as the 2 with UCONN in Chicago.
I do think that would work. If Michigan is the 4th 1 seed in general, both UCONN and Duke would pick DC as their preferred site. UCONN would choose Chicago as a backup if they're behind Duke. Question would be whether Duke would choose Chicago or Houston as a backup if they're behind UCONN.
 
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#160      
I do think that would work. If Michigan is the 4th 1 seed in general, both UCONN and Duke would pick DC as their preferred site. UCONN would choose Chicago as a backup if they're behind Duke. Question would be whether Duke would choose Chicago or Houston as a backup if they're behind UCONN.
This is news to me. Teams get to pick their site??? Is this another one of those things where there’s money involved and I’m hopelessly naive?
 
#161      
This is news to me. Teams get to pick their site??? Is this another one of those things where there’s money involved and I’m hopelessly naive?
The ADs of protected seeds give a list of preferred sites for thefirst two rounds - in general they follow geography and distance to school.

The #1 seed ADs also submit the same thing for the regional sites.

Then basically higher up you are on the s-curve, more you get your preference, subject to other bracketing rules. for example, you can’t play in a stadium that is your home stadium (also driven by Illini when they played an actual road game vs Kentucky at Rupp in 1984)
 
#163      
If Duke is the #2 and gets DC, wouldn’t UCONN pick Chicago if they were the next team before Michigan…:then Michigan gets shipped to Houston and we end up as the 2 with UCONN in Chicago.
Interesting, thanks. From my totally subjective perspective, I think...

#1 in Chicago >>>>>>>>>> #1 anywhere else >>>> #3 in Chicago >>>>>>> #2 anywhere else

The #1 path is truly as good as it gets if you want a Final Four, but I find the difference between a #2 and #3 path very minor.
 
#164      
A lot of good detailed analysis. I think if we get a 1 seed it will ultimately be at Michigan's expense.
I like our position - our MI game could well be one of the biggest games of the regular season in college basketball. MI has Duke on a neutral floor, and @Purdue (who needs the win), @OSU, @Iowa, MSU at home, and @ the SFC. That is a lot of thirsty teams on the road and a gauntlet for them to finish the season.

Any loss from here to selection Sunday (and almost certainly it will happen) is going to be gut wrenching because of its potential impact on our seeding. Going to be a heck of a ride. Try to enjoy the drama. And Muck Fichigan.
 
#165      
As a follow-up to this for #1 seeds over the same time period...

2025 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Final Four
2024 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen
2023 - Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round, First Round
2022 - National Champion, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2021 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Second Round
2019 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2018 - National Champion, Final Four, Second Round, First Round
2017 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Second Round
2016 - National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2015 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Second Round
2014 - Final Four, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2013 - National Champion, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2012 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2011 - Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2010 - National Champion, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen, Second Round
2009 - National Champion, Final Four, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2008 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Final Four, Final Four
2007 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Elite Eight, Elite Eight
2006 - Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Elite Eight, Sweet Sixteen
2005 - National Champion, National Runner Up, Sweet Sixteen, Sweet Sixteen

So of the 80 teams...
- 2 (2.5%) lost in the First Round. So 78 (97.5%) at least made it to the Second Round. These were of course the first two losses ever!
- 10 (12.5%) lost in the Second Round. So 68 (85.0%) at least made it to the Sweet Sixteen.
- 17 (21.3%) lost in the Sweet Sixteen. So 51 (63.8%) made it to the Elite Eight or beyond.
- 19 (23.8%) lost in the Elite Eight. So 32 (40.0%) made it to the Final Four or beyond.
- 8 (10.0%) lost in their first Final Four game. So 24 (30.0%) made it to the National Championship Game.
- Of the 24 that played for a title, 9 (11.3%) finished as National Runner Up and 15 (18.8%) won the National Championship.

Kind of interesting note here that corroborates the old adage that it's just about who is hot come March. In this time span, a #1 seed only made it to the Final Four 40% of the time. However, IF a #1 seed made it to the Final Four, it also won that first Final Four game 75% of the time and would go on to win it all almost 63% of the time.

In other words, it's not that uncommon for #1 seeds to underachieve and lose early, but it's actually pretty rare for them to make it all the way to the Final Four and get knocked out before the National Championship Game.

Just for some bonus content over this same period since I was already looking it up, here was the make up of the Final Four by year. National Champion listed first, National Runner Up listed second and then the other two Final Four participants.

2025 - #1, #1, #1, #1
2024 - #1, #1, #4, #11
2023 - #4, #5, #5, #9
2022 - #1, #8, #2, #2
2021 - #1, #1, #2, #11
2019 - #1, #3, #2, #5
2018 - #1, #3, #1, #11
2017 - #1, #1, #3, #7
2016 - #2, #1, #2, #10
2015 - #1, #1, #1, #7
2014 - #7, #8, #1, #2
2013 - #1, #4, #4, #9
2012 - #1, #2, #2, #4
2011 - #3, #8, #4, #11
2010 - #1, #5, #2, #5
2009 - #1, #2, #1, #3
2008 - #1, #1, #1, #1
2007 - #1, #1, #2, #2
2006 - #3, #2, #4, #11
2005 - #1, #1, #4, #5

Some of us might still be a bit scarred by the Loyola loss, but getting a #1 seed REALLY sets you up for a great Tournament run, and it really is that big of a deal to get one. Let's remember that our previous three #1 seeds resulted in a Final Four, Elite Eight and National Runner Up. You are just setting yourself up on such a favorable path if you can show up prepared and execute well, and you're even provided a good bit of margin of error by getting to play slightly worse teams all the way until the Final Four.

Just using the current bracket matrix and trying to cherry pick Illini opponents as much as possible for illustrative purposes, this would be an example of two potential paths for Illinois:

Illini #1 Seed Path
St. Louis, MO

(1) Some #16 seed
(2) Winner of #8 Iowa and #9 Wisconsin

Chicago, IL
(3) Winner of #4 Texas Tech and #5 Tennessee
(4) Winner of #2 Nebraska and #3 Purdue (after they've both had to play each other in a dog fight)

Illini #2 Seed Path
St. Louis, MO

(1) Some #15 seed
(2) Winner of #7 Saint Louis and #10 UCLA

Washington, DC
(3) Winner of #3 Purdue and #6 Arkansas
(4) Winner of #1 UConn and #4 Florida (after presumably having a very tough Sweet Sixteen game)

When playing for a shot at our first Final Four since 2005, give me playing a Nebraska/Purdue type in front of an orange clad United Center crowd over playing UConn in Washington, DC seven days a week and twice on Sunday!
I look at this analysis, and it seems that you are just as likely to make the final four as an 11 seed bubble team from a Power 4 conference as you are as a 3 or a 5 seed (4s seem to have slightly better odds than a 3 or 5 for some reason but not terribly better than an 11).
 
#166      
A lot of good detailed analysis. I think if we get a 1 seed it will ultimately be at Michigan's expense.
I like our position - our MI game could well be one of the biggest games of the regular season in college basketball. MI has Duke on a neutral floor, and @Purdue (who needs the win), @OSU, @Iowa, MSU at home, and @ the SFC. That is a lot of thirsty teams on the road and a gauntlet for them to finish the season.

Any loss from here to selection Sunday (and almost certainly it will happen) is going to be gut wrenching because of its potential impact on our seeding. Going to be a heck of a ride. Try to enjoy the drama. And Muck Fichigan.
I don't know. I feel like we more or less have a 2 locked up barring any truly unreasonable loss, and the only question is whether we can sneak onto the 1 line, likely requiring us to beat Michigan.
 
#168      
Iowa State has the 6th best offense in the country. This isn't the same Iowa State as the 2 years ago or even last year.
I’ve watched Iowa State more than any team not named Illinois this season. That’s a case where the stats don’t really reflect reality. They are one dimensional offensively. If Momcilovoc isn’t playing well offensively, they are not strong on that end of the floor.

I wonder how much the Purdue game inflated their offensive statistics.
 
#169      
I’ve watched Iowa State more than any team not named Illinois this season. That’s a case where the stats don’t really reflect reality. They are one dimensional offensively. If Momcilovoc isn’t playing well offensively, they are not strong on that end of the floor.

I wonder how much the Purdue game inflated their offensive statistics.
that purdue win, extremely impressive, is doing a lot of work to prop their resume up if you look closely. I wouldn't mind then to be our 2 seed when we get a1 seed
 
#170      
I’ve watched Iowa State more than any team not named Illinois this season. That’s a case where the stats don’t really reflect reality. They are one dimensional offensively. If Momcilovoc isn’t playing well offensively, they are not strong on that end of the floor.

I wonder how much the Purdue game inflated their offensive statistics.
The stats don't reflect reality?

Their last 4 games...

87, 84, 97, and 95 points. Yeah, they can't score at all.

I'm done here.
 
#172      
that purdue win, extremely impressive, is doing a lot of work to prop their resume up if you look closely. I wouldn't mind then to be our 2 seed when we get a1 seed
They’ve also run the score up against a ton of Quad 3 and 4 teams. 132 against Alcorn State. 95 against Syracuse. 91 against Long Beach State.
 
#174      
They’ve also run the score up against a ton of Quad 3 and 4 teams. 132 against Alcorn State. 95 against Syracuse. 91 against Long Beach State.
iowa States best wins are at Purdue and neutral against Iowa. the the next best is against st. John's. that's really it
 
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