Week of 3/2 Bracketology

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#177      
I’m not sure I’m as interested in the 3-seed as I am with not drawing Purdue as the 5-seed - assuming ofcourse, we don’t drop the Maryland game.

With the way Purdue is playing, I am curious if Wisconsin winning there is more likely than Iowa beating Nebraska.

Btw, intrigued tonight in Evanston. Purdue has not played well there and I think that might cause a Boiler fan implosion - unfortunately though, it seems the Wisconsin game is the only one that really matters for Purdue moving backwards from the 5 line
 
#178      
I’m not sure I’m as interested in the 3-seed as I am with not drawing Purdue as the 5-seed - assuming ofcourse, we don’t drop the Maryland game.

With the way Purdue is playing, I am curious if Wisconsin winning there is more likely than Iowa beating Nebraska.

Btw, intrigued tonight in Evanston. Purdue has not played well there and I think that might cause a Boiler fan implosion - unfortunately though, it seems the Wisconsin game is the only one that really matters for Purdue moving backwards from the 5 line
The main appeal of the #3 seed vs. #4 seed for me (besides me and presumably a lot of other Chicago Area fans actually being able to attend the evening game!) is that we get two non-Michigan games before Selection Sunday, with the assumed toughest test being a rematch with MSU on a neutral floor ... and both paths will be two Quad 1 opportunities.

The #3 seed just seems like you are getting the same credit for having to do WAY less work, haha.
 
#179      
Wish list for me is 3 seed with Wisconsin or UCLA as the 6 and MSU as the 2, just get the full breadth of showing they can win against those teams. I am somewhat skeptical that Michigan goes all out in the BTT because they know they're a 1 seed in the Midwest and the conference tournament really doesn't matter.
 
#180      
It doesn’t matter what happens between MSU and UM- we just need us to win and Neb to lose to get the three seed
GIGANTIC disagree here. It doesn’t impact BTT seeding, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts NCAA Tournament seeding. Illinois and MSU are very close on the S curve right now. MSU winning at Michigan would be very bad.

Furthermore, Michigan blowing them out wouldn’t hurt either. A loss in a tight game for MSU also doesn’t help us.
 
#181      
The main appeal of the #3 seed vs. #4 seed for me (besides me and presumably a lot of other Chicago Area fans actually being able to attend the evening game!) is that we get two non-Michigan games before Selection Sunday, with the assumed toughest test being a rematch with MSU on a neutral floor ... and both paths will be two Quad 1 opportunities.

The #3 seed just seems like you are getting the same credit for having to do WAY less work, haha.

Fair point on looking further downstream the bracket. Also on game times. Agree with you
 
#183      
Purdue or Iowa State are the only teams from the 3 line that can jump Illinois for the 2.

You gotta assume the winner of Nebraska/MSU gets a #2. The loser will be a #3.

Then it comes down to IL vs Purdue. I don’t think IL will get a #2 if they lose to Purdue. If they beat Purdue, but then get waxed by Michigan again I think it’s still a #2 unless Iowa State wins Big 12 tourney. I don’t see Houston dropping to a #3 if Iowa State wins Big 12 tourney
I do not believe either one will overtake us. Iowa State if they win the B12 tourney could move to the 2 line and Purdue is a train wreck right now. Losing big to OSU puts them squarely on the 3 line, maybe a 4 if Virginia gets to the ACC championship game. I do not see Houston dropping lower than a 2. I still feel that it’s Duke, AZ, Michigan and Florida/UConn with the loser between the 2 gets the top 2 seed. MSU even if they lose to Michigan will get a 2 with Houston and Illinois as 2’s. Nebraska, Purdue, Virginia and Iowa State are the 3s with KU, Gonzaga, Tech with Vandy or Louisville as 4’s. The top 16 are pretty easy to see.
 
#184      
RE: First Weekend locations, here is my guess at where the current protected seeds would want to be. There are obviously other considerations like pairing the top #1 with the lowest #2, spreading out conference teams, avoiding rematches, etc. However, this shows a general current pecking order on the Bracket Matrix for who would be "in line" for each spot. Within each list, the teams are in order of the current S-Curve.

REMINDER! Your First Weekend location is NOT tied to your Region of the bracket. We could be in St. Louis with a #3 seed that is in the Chicago Region while we are in the South, and we would both just go our separate ways after the Second Round. This happened with Iowa State being in Milwaukee with us last year, for example.

Buffalo, NY
#2 Michigan State

Greenville, SC
#1 Duke
#4 Alabama

Oklahoma City, OK
#2 Houston
#3 Nebraska (actually closer than St. Louis by about 25 minutes)
#3 Texas Tech

Portland, OR
#4 Gonzaga

Tampa, FL
#2 Florida

Philadelphia, PA
#1 Michigan (confirmed)
#1 UConn (significantly closer than Buffalo, but I assume they'll get sent to Buffalo)
#4 Virginia (about the same distance as Greenville but closer to major alum center in DC)

San Diego, CA
#1 Arizona

St. Louis, MO
#2 Illinois
#3 Iowa State
#3 Purdue
#4 Kansas

It involves speculation (e.g., Kansas probably couldn't care less about St. Louis vs. OKC), but I think most are generally accurate ... and when you consider that schools like Nebraska and MSU could just as easily prefer St. Louis (the latter has plenty of alumni in Chicago who could make that relatively easy drive), the competition for St. Louis is definitely more intense than any other site. ISU, Nebraska and KU losing already this week is huge for us, and a Purdue loss would be wonderful!
Just a side note: Michigan will only go to Philadelphia if they are the number one OVERALL seed. Otherwise it’s not in their hands and they’d be sent to Buffalo.
 
#185      
As a reminder, our feelings on March 4th every year in the 2010's:
2010: "If we lose to Wisconsin on Sunday then we'll have pulled it off - from a likely 7-seed three weeks ago to the NIT." (We lost to Wisconsin, our fifth loss in six games, and went to the NIT.)

2011: "We HAVE TO beat Indiana in the finale or we'll be 8-10 in the Big Ten and back on the bubble." (We beat Indiana and got a 9-seed.)

2012: "How on God's green earth has a team that was ranked 22nd in mid-January now lost 11 of 13 to fall to 6-12 in the Big Ten?"

2013: "I know the bracketologists say we're in. But we're only 8-8 in the Big Ten. If we lose these final two, are we sure we're in?" (We lost the final two but were safely in even though we finished 8-10 in the Big Ten.)

2014: "I cannot believe we started the Big Ten 3-10. This late season run is nice and all, but 3-10 killed our Tournament chances. (It did indeed. We were a 2-seed in the NIT.)

2015: "We're on the wrong side of the bubble now but honestly, we still have a chance at the Tournament. Just beat Purdue this weekend and then win a game or two in the BTT." (We lost to Purdue. We lost in the opening game of the BTT. We went to the NIT.)

2016: "How is it even possible that Illinois basketball is 13-17 right now?"

2017: (This feeling was fanbase-wide on March 4th, 2017) "I don't know what this new Athletic Director will do, but if this four game winning streak late in the season to put us on the bubble means he's going to keep John Groce..." (It did not. He fired Groce and Jamall Walker coached the team in the NIT.)

2018: "With the BTT moved up a week, it's crazy that the season ended in February. This team was lucky to win 14 games but I like this Trent Frazier kid."

2019: "I really hope we win at Penn State on Sunday because if not, that's 20 losses and 20 losses is something that should never happen in Champaign." (We lost at Penn State.)After 21 NCAA Tournaments in 25 years from 1983 to 2007, we had fallen to *that*. And now that the good old days are here again, I've vowed to always remember how early March used to feel so helpless.

As is so often the case, Robert does a heck of a job breaking down the context of just how bad things were and showing how much we've bounced back. Please, let's never go back to those incredibly dark days.
I lost my interest in the NCAAT those dark years. Absolute blasphemy.
 
#188      
RE: First Weekend locations, here is my guess at where the current protected seeds would want to be. There are obviously other considerations like pairing the top #1 with the lowest #2, spreading out conference teams, avoiding rematches, etc. However, this shows a general current pecking order on the Bracket Matrix for who would be "in line" for each spot. Within each list, the teams are in order of the current S-Curve.

REMINDER! Your First Weekend location is NOT tied to your Region of the bracket. We could be in St. Louis with a #3 seed that is in the Chicago Region while we are in the South, and we would both just go our separate ways after the Second Round. This happened with Iowa State being in Milwaukee with us last year, for example.

Buffalo, NY
#2 Michigan State

Greenville, SC
#1 Duke
#4 Alabama

Oklahoma City, OK
#2 Houston
#3 Nebraska (actually closer than St. Louis by about 25 minutes)
#3 Texas Tech

Portland, OR
#4 Gonzaga

Tampa, FL
#2 Florida

Philadelphia, PA
#1 Michigan (confirmed)
#1 UConn (significantly closer than Buffalo, but I assume they'll get sent to Buffalo)
#4 Virginia (about the same distance as Greenville but closer to major alum center in DC)

San Diego, CA
#1 Arizona

St. Louis, MO
#2 Illinois
#3 Iowa State
#3 Purdue
#4 Kansas

It involves speculation (e.g., Kansas probably couldn't care less about St. Louis vs. OKC), but I think most are generally accurate ... and when you consider that schools like Nebraska and MSU could just as easily prefer St. Louis (the latter has plenty of alumni in Chicago who could make that relatively easy drive), the competition for St. Louis is definitely more intense than any other site. ISU, Nebraska and KU losing already this week is huge for us, and a Purdue loss would be wonderful!
I could be wrong, but I believe the sites are solely based on mileage. Only the number 1 overall seed gets to "choose" where they play and that's why Michigan came out and said they would choose Philly if they were the number 1 overall seed. So, at the moment, I believe they would be in Buffalo.
 
#189      
As someone who was there, it was indeed a blast! I too am hoping that Illini fans flood the UC, but there are two things that might hinder that, at least a little.

(1) If we are the #4 seed, we will play during the day on Friday and fans who otherwise would have gone but cannot take off work will be forced out. This unfortunately describes my wife and me, and we are super bummed as we thought we were a near lock for the evening session (i.e., #2 or #3 seed) a couple weeks ago. :confused:

(2) If we are the #4 seed, we have also locked ourselves into the morning session with Michigan for both Friday and Saturday if we make it. That doesn't just suck because Michigan will certainly probably have a good showing themselves, as I am sure MSU would also bring a lot of fans if we were in the evening session with them. What sucks the most about this is Michigan fans have known they'd be the morning session for Friday and Saturday for well over a week now, giving them an edge on scooping up tickets. By contrast, assuming Illinois beats Maryland, we wouldn't know for sure if we were the #4 seed (morning session) or #3 seed (evening session) until like 6:00 pm on Sunday night. The odds are pretty heavy that we are the #4 seed, but that is only because people are assuming Nebraska will beat Iowa at home.

So, I will be pulling HARD for Iowa this Sunday, as a Hawkeyes win would set up the Illini BTT experience to be SO much better. Getting to avoid Michigan until Sunday, facing MSU instead of Purdue on Friday, being in the evening session with presumably way more Illini fans for Friday and Saturday, etc. As someone who desperately wants to go to the BTT this year but can't miss work next Friday, the MSU, Wisconsin and especially UCLA losses are REALLY starting to sting, lol...
I was at the UCLA game, and you could tell it was just huge to have us collapse like that. The first 10 minutes of the game we were just clowning them the crowd everything. Then.... please call a TO :). Anyways, yes that loss was really painful for seeding in both the BTT and really a little in the NCAAT.
 
#190      
personally after the Michigan loss, I no longer care about the seed we get in the big ten tourney. I want to win but really all I want that tourney to do is prepare us for the NCAA tournament!

elite 8 or better is reasonable for a 2 seed team that has been top 6 in metrics since December and has all time offense!
 
#192      
I'm more than OK with a scenario where we win in the B1G quarter finals, take a close loss to Michigan in the semis, regroup and then upset an over confident Michigan when we run into them deep in the tournament.
 
#195      
I feel like if Iowa beats Nebraska, this is our best case scenario.
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Pretty much a revenge tour for the Illini, unless a double digit seed upsets someone!
 
#199      
GIGANTIC disagree here. It doesn’t impact BTT seeding, but it ABSOLUTELY impacts NCAA Tournament seeding. Illinois and MSU are very close on the S curve right now. MSU winning at Michigan would be very bad.

Furthermore, Michigan blowing them out wouldn’t hurt either. A loss in a tight game for MSU also doesn’t help us.
Agreed- I was referring to the OP who was referring to the BTT calculator - yes for NCAA seeding we want MSU and Nebraska to lose as much as possible
 
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