Kentucky in Lexington in 19841988 Villanova.
Kentucky in Lexington in 19841988 Villanova.
I feel like we still got a little mojo left in that bottle against them. don't forget they beat us a few times in 2001 and we only paid back one of those games in 2005As long as we are not the last #2 seed, seems like we will be put in Arizona's region which I am all here for. Just avoid Duke at all costs.
Was at that #$@! game. Free throws.1988 Villanova.
First memory overall was watching Bill Walton play a perfect game against Memphis State.Anyone wanna share their earliest tourney memory?
Mine was 97 when we last to Chattannooga. I could not understand how we lost to a team i had never heard of
Then of course 2 years later we lost to Florida in 2nd rd who somehow was a 5 seed?
Tucker could not hit anything that game. KState slowed the game down and we played into their hand.First memory overall was watching Bill Walton play a perfect game against Memphis State.
First Illini memory was in '81. I was a senior in HS, had strep throat and luckily my parents happened to get ESPN added to our cable system the week of the tournament. I probably spent 15 hours a day watching games or game coverage - ESPN was just amazing back in the day.
We were lucky to hang on against Wyoming...I seem to recall Mark smith was fouled on a missed WY shot and made both to seal the win. Next game was against K-State, who had a strong history of overperforming in the tourney. I thought it would be a cakewalk, but as became a recurring pattern during the Henson era, we played poorly and lost to a less talented team.
'79 was the year everything changed....Magic vs Bird and NBC's coverage totally transformed the tourney
We went 10-23 in that game and lost by 3. Battle said after the Syracuse E8 game that they will not let FTs cost them like it did against Nova.Was at that #$@! game. Free throws.
If we are a 2 seed we could go to St Louis in the West Region. I think that is where we are. If we go with Lunardi’s bracket, we get either St Mary’s or SMU in the Round of 32 then a possible matchup with KU/UK in the S16 which would be fun to see.I see Nebraska as a 3 seed in the Midwest in a couple of bracketology postings. Does that mean if the Illini fall to a 3 seed they could end up in Chicago?
Anywhere but DUKE. As a 2 seed, will not have to worry about SCUM. I would rather take my chances with UCONN and Arizona.Put me in the camp that would be more concerned about the #2/3/6/7 seeds we'd be with rather than the #1 seed. Did it suck getting pummeled by UConn in 2024 and knowing we would have had a better shot vs. literally any other #1 seed? Of course ... but we were still in the Elite Eight, and it was already a successful season for that reason alone. All that is to say, the #1 seed has a few rounds to potentially get upset before we would face them, and I'll be a happy camper in general if we are IN the position to be playing a #1 seed!
With that said, here are the losses for the projected #1 seeds to teams currently in the Bracket Matrix. Numbers correspond to current projected Bracket Matrix seed. I'm also including the date of that loss for context.
#1 Duke
Dec. 20 - L 81-82 vs. #3 Texas Tech (New York, NY)
Feb. 7 - L 68-71 at #5 North Carolina
#1 Michigan
Jan. 2 - L 88-91 vs. #7 Wisconsin
Feb. 21 - L 63-68 vs. #1 Duke (Washington, DC)
#1 Arizona
Feb. 9 - L 78-82 at #4 Kansas
Feb. 14 - L 75-78 in OT vs. #3 Texas Tech
#1 UConn
Nov. 19 - L 67-71 vs. #1 Arizona
Feb. 6 - L 72-81 at #6 St. John's (NY)
Feb. 18 - L 84-91 vs. Creighton - NOT projected in the field
So judging based purely on this exercise, every #1 seed has at least proven capable of losing to a team they would play before us (i.e., a #4 seed or worse). However, there are clear differences by team.
(1) The obvious trend that jumps out at everyone is UConn not only has proven to be the most susceptible to going down before an Elite Eight (this doesn't even count their MANY close calls vs. bad teams), but they have also done it the most recently.
(2) The other three are all comparatively more impressive, but I actually think that ironically Michigan would be the most likely to slip up. When they're on, they're (IMO) the best team in the country ... but I think their "C+ Game" is noticeably worse than Arizona's or Duke's. We would need a hot shooting night and much improved defense, but I would take our chances vs. Michigan rather than Duke or Arizona any day.
(3) To me, Duke and Arizona are the same, especially because I would afford a bit of a "discount" to Duke's loss at rival UNC on a buzzer beater. Both of these teams are going to bring it the vast majority of nights, and it will take a great performance by their opponents PLUS an off night for them to go down, IMO. Not saying it won't happen, as there are surprises every year. However, these are the two I would say we want the least in our Region (and of course we will almost certainly get one of them, haha).
All in all, I would rank the likelihood that any of these #1 seeds go down before the Elite Eight like this:
1. UConn - They've had so many close calls and even wracked up one terrible loss to Creighton at home, and I'm guessing they will be a lot of people's picks for a Sweet Sixteen or even Second Round upset. With that said, count out Hurley at your own risk...
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2. Michigan - They could just as easily blaze their way to a National Championship in dominant fashion, but if they have a game like at Northwestern or vs. Minnesota where they are a step off for most of it, a good team could capitalize and knock them off.
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3. Arizona - They seem just as good as Duke, but never discount the "jinx" factor in March! Tommy Lloyd seems like a great coach, but he's had 3 top 2 seeds in the last 4 years, and they've all ended short of the Elite Eight (including a First Round upset to #15 Princeton in 2023). Unrelated to this specific team, but I think a lot of people forget that Arizona hasn't been to a Final Four since 1999 and only has 4 ever ... odd that so many give them the treatment like they're closer to a Blue Blood than an Illinois.
4. Duke - Just giving them the nod over Arizona purely because they've been to the "Mountain Top" of the Final Four as recently as last year ... could help calm some nerves in crunch time.
More on Michigan- how they perform without Cason these next games will be very telling, it's reminiscent of the #1 Virginia upset but at least for Michigan there's more time to get a feel for how the team will do without him.Put me in the camp that would be more concerned about the #2/3/6/7 seeds we'd be with rather than the #1 seed. Did it suck getting pummeled by UConn in 2024 and knowing we would have had a better shot vs. literally any other #1 seed? Of course ... but we were still in the Elite Eight, and it was already a successful season for that reason alone. All that is to say, the #1 seed has a few rounds to potentially get upset before we would face them, and I'll be a happy camper in general if we are IN the position to be playing a #1 seed!
With that said, here are the losses for the projected #1 seeds to teams currently in the Bracket Matrix. Numbers correspond to current projected Bracket Matrix seed. I'm also including the date of that loss for context.
#1 Duke
Dec. 20 - L 81-82 vs. #3 Texas Tech (New York, NY)
Feb. 7 - L 68-71 at #5 North Carolina
#1 Michigan
Jan. 2 - L 88-91 vs. #7 Wisconsin
Feb. 21 - L 63-68 vs. #1 Duke (Washington, DC)
#1 Arizona
Feb. 9 - L 78-82 at #4 Kansas
Feb. 14 - L 75-78 in OT vs. #3 Texas Tech
#1 UConn
Nov. 19 - L 67-71 vs. #1 Arizona
Feb. 6 - L 72-81 at #6 St. John's (NY)
Feb. 18 - L 84-91 vs. Creighton - NOT projected in the field
So judging based purely on this exercise, every #1 seed has at least proven capable of losing to a team they would play before us (i.e., a #4 seed or worse). However, there are clear differences by team.
(1) The obvious trend that jumps out at everyone is UConn not only has proven to be the most susceptible to going down before an Elite Eight (this doesn't even count their MANY close calls vs. bad teams), but they have also done it the most recently.
(2) The other three are all comparatively more impressive, but I actually think that ironically Michigan would be the most likely to slip up. When they're on, they're (IMO) the best team in the country ... but I think their "C+ Game" is noticeably worse than Arizona's or Duke's. We would need a hot shooting night and much improved defense, but I would take our chances vs. Michigan rather than Duke or Arizona any day.
(3) To me, Duke and Arizona are the same, especially because I would afford a bit of a "discount" to Duke's loss at rival UNC on a buzzer beater. Both of these teams are going to bring it the vast majority of nights, and it will take a great performance by their opponents PLUS an off night for them to go down, IMO. Not saying it won't happen, as there are surprises every year. However, these are the two I would say we want the least in our Region (and of course we will almost certainly get one of them, haha).
All in all, I would rank the likelihood that any of these #1 seeds go down before the Elite Eight like this:
1. UConn - They've had so many close calls and even wracked up one terrible loss to Creighton at home, and I'm guessing they will be a lot of people's picks for a Sweet Sixteen or even Second Round upset. With that said, count out Hurley at your own risk...
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2. Michigan - They could just as easily blaze their way to a National Championship in dominant fashion, but if they have a game like at Northwestern or vs. Minnesota where they are a step off for most of it, a good team could capitalize and knock them off.
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3. Arizona - They seem just as good as Duke, but never discount the "jinx" factor in March! Tommy Lloyd seems like a great coach, but he's had 3 top 2 seeds in the last 4 years, and they've all ended short of the Elite Eight (including a First Round upset to #15 Princeton in 2023). Unrelated to this specific team, but I think a lot of people forget that Arizona hasn't been to a Final Four since 1999 and only has 4 ever ... odd that so many give them the treatment like they're closer to a Blue Blood than an Illinois.
4. Duke - Just giving them the nod over Arizona purely because they've been to the "Mountain Top" of the Final Four as recently as last year ... could help calm some nerves in crunch time.
I do think the media is undervaluing Cason at least in what I’ve seen.More on Michigan- how they perform without Cason these next games will be very telling, it's reminiscent of the #1 Virginia upset but at least for Michigan there's more time to get a feel for how the team will do without him.
Very infuriating. I legit thought that team could make the Final Four but they had to learn from it to set up the FF run in 89.Was at that #$@! game. Free throws.
I agree. If anything, it puts them in a slightly worse position in the event of the tight whistle game in the tourney and Cadeau gets in foul trouble (like he was against us).I do think the media is undervaluing Cason at least in what I’ve seen.
Cadeau has been great, but part of Michigans magic this year is their chameleon ability to play a number of different lineups and looks, sit guys having an off night.
Cason is probably the best backup pg in the country. Not saying Michigans all of a sudden going to act like a middle of the pack big ten team but this isn’t some 10 min/game guy. He’s a big piece to their success.
They finish with these games, using NET Rankings:Mizzou is so close to becoming a Q1 win for us.......sitting at 53
Excellent analysis. Much of it is very possible. I think if we did this we would have the opportunity for either a Q1a win/loss against scUM also correct?^ As a follow-up to this, this is our current resume:
Record: 22-7
NET: #5
Road Record: 7-2
vs. Quad 1A: 6-6
vs. Quad 1: 8-6
vs. Quad 2: 6-1
vs. Quad 3: 3-0
vs. Quad 4: 5-0
And if we beat Oregon, beat Maryland, beat (presumably) Purdue next Friday AND everything above broke our way, our resume would look like this:
Record: 25-7
NET: #5
Road Record: 8-2
vs. Quad 1A: 7-6
vs. Quad 1: 10-7
vs. Quad 2: 5-0
vs. Quad 3: 5-0
vs. Quad 4: 5-0
Would CERTAINLY solidify us as a #2 seed...
I have not, thanks for posting! It definitely confirms two "pre-picks" I will have going into March Madness, though.Fighter have you seen this?
Another one, yes please: