Week of 3/3 Games Thread

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Yet a lot of good teams lose to bad teams. At home.

We beat a lot of good teams at home, on the road, on a neutral court.
USC is at their best when Claude is getting to the paint going downhill. Which is what we chose to let happen with our defensive scheme at that time. We deserved that loss. Drop back coverage and trailing the cutter is the worst possible defense we can attempt to employ. Hopefully Hamer will be gone after this season or back to the video room.
 
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Houston plays every minute like they’re down 2. The intensity is impressive on the defensive end. I’m not as impressed with their offense though. For being pretty efficient, I think they’ll have trouble against a team that gets hot from 3. Just my take after only watching a couple of their games. I think they’ll have trouble if they run into an SEC team.
 
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Omaha will get the tournament bid from the Summit despite the championship game against St. Thomas not being played until tomorrow. St. Thomas is transitioning to D1 and not eligible yet.
 
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Houston plays every minute like they’re down 2. The intensity is impressive on the defensive end. I’m not as impressed with their offense though. For being pretty efficient, I think they’ll have trouble against a team that gets hot from 3. Just my take after only watching a couple of their games. I think they’ll have trouble if they run into an SEC team.
Their game against Alabama was one of the best of the year.. imo Houston is in the class of Duke & Auburn as the real title favorites, Florida right behind.. then some separation
 and a group of Alabama, Tennessee, MSU, St John’s, ISU & Tech as “dark horses” and wouldn’t be shocked if they won it, but none of them would be the “best team” even if they won the title imo. After that, high end talent & a crazy run could find a select few of teams like Purdue, us, Memphis, A&M, Arizona, Marquette,Kansas (Kentucky would have made this but injury bug)

That’s the only teams that can win it all how I see it

EDIT: Adding UConn for Hurley
 
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I'm okay with a strategy like this. If teams are going to sit back and play zone on you, why try and play offense if someone isn't going to come out and try to defend.



I think Illinois does have it, but only in certain events like holiday tournaments. Unless I'm mistaken, I think it is going to be in full use in the next couple years.
The National high school federation allows states to implement a shot clock. Iowa has one at 35 seconds for three years now. Illinois has chosen to not use it.
 
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This would belong in an IHSA Basketball Thread if we have one:

Apparently a playoff game between Eastland and Pecatonica went viral on TwitterX for an interesting coaching strategy...

I hate this. IHSA needs a shot clock. I don’t care if it worked, that isn’t basketball. That isn’t competitive. I remember when Richwoods did that against Simeon in 06. Get to see DRose in a championship all for it to end 31-29. If you get rinsed you get rinsed, at least play the game.

Also, Waukegan was host to a couple of excellent games. I believe Brandon Paul hit a game winner at the Waukegan sectional for Gurnee years back.
 
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I did the radio play by play for this game in 2016. I am convinced West Des Moines Valley stalling for 8 minutes in the game overtime periods spurred the debate to make a shot clock in high school more relevant.

 
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I hate this. IHSA needs a shot clock. I don’t care if it worked, that isn’t basketball. That isn’t competitive.

Is it any more competitive for a squad to just sit back in zone and not have any of their defenders come out and effectively defend the players on offense?

People can hate it all they want but if the defense doesn't come out and man up and defend (you can still do this even in zone), then the offense has no incentive to run anything.
 
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Another NCAA tournament bid clinched last night as a result of what occurred in the Summit League tournament. Omaha and St. Thomas (MN) both won their semifinal games. Because St. Thomas (MN) is still in their transition from D-III to D-I and won't be fully D-I until this July, Omaha clinches the automatic bid from the Summit League.

It is the Mavericks' first NCAA Tournament appearance, having moved from D-II to D-I in 2011, becoming a full D-I member in 2015.
 
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Is it any more competitive for a squad to just sit back in zone and not have any of their defenders come out and effectively defend the players on offense?

People can hate it all they want but if the defense doesn't come out and man up and defend (you can still do this even in zone), then the offense has no incentive to run anything.
The game is supposed to be continuous action in theory. I get what you’re saying, but anything that promotes the continuous nature of the game is something I support.

It’s why we have play clocks in football, pitch clocks in baseball, etc.
 
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The game is supposed to be continuous action in theory. I get what you’re saying, but anything that promotes the continuous nature of the game is something I support.

It’s why we have play clocks in football, pitch clocks in baseball, etc.

And we didn't have pitch clocks in baseball until very recently (though obviously only at the pro level).

I have no problem with the offense using the rules to their advantage in high school basketball when a team sticks back in zone. If they don't want it to happen, the defending team's coach needs to tell at least one of their players to get out and defend the ball handler. They can still run box and 1 or triangle and 2 on defense. A lot of the times those teams that play zone will do it because they know their players can't defend as well playing man.
 
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Is it any more competitive for a squad to just sit back in zone and not have any of their defenders come out and effectively defend the players on offense?

People can hate it all they want but if the defense doesn't come out and man up and defend (you can still do this even in zone), then the offense has no incentive to run anything.
You diagnose what zone they are in and go into appropriate zone offense and solve the puzzle.
 
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Right but why do anything if all the defenders are inside the arc? Where's the incentive to run anything on offense?

The defense's job is to prevent the opponent from scoring. The offense's job is to score the ball. So at the end of the day it comes down to one question. What is more of a true basketball strategy. Playing zone or holding the ball for an entire quarter? To me playing zone is a legitimate strategy to prevent teams from scoring. Holding the ball at midcourt does not help your offense score the ball and is not a legitimate basketball strategy.
 
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The defense's job is to prevent the opponent from scoring. The offense's job is to score the ball. So at the end of the day it comes down to one question. What is more of a true basketball strategy. Playing zone or holding the ball for an entire quarter? To me playing zone is a legitimate strategy to prevent teams from scoring. Holding the ball at midcourt does not help your offense score the ball and is not a legitimate basketball strategy.

But if you're playing an offensive style that limits the number of possessions in general anyway, you'll be more than willing to hold the ball if the defense is not going to defend you man-on-man (even if it's just one guy defending the ball handler) and just sit back in zone.
 
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I can't believe that I'm saying this...but can scUM win this game? I really don't like our chances against the Turdles...
 
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But if you're playing an offensive style that limits the number of possessions in general anyway, you'll be more than willing to hold the ball if the defense is not going to defend you man-on-man (even if it's just one guy defending the ball handler) and just sit back in zone.

But that's not true. That's why it's controversial. A lot of coaches do not agree with holding the ball for extended periods because they don't think it's part of the spirit of the game. It's not what friends, family, fans filled the gym to see. It's not what players play for. It's not basketball. A defense can play whatever defense it wants. The offense is supposed to figure out how to score against it. If you want to be patient, that's fine. But still pass, cut, move, until you find a high percentage shot.
 
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FitchSt tearing Fich a new one. This is going to be a bloodbath!
 
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But that's not true. That's why it's controversial. A lot of coaches do not agree with holding the ball for extended periods because they don't think it's part of the spirit of the game. It's not what friends, family, fans filled the gym to see. It's not what players play for. It's not basketball. A defense can play whatever defense it wants. The offense is supposed to figure out how to score against it. If you want to be patient, that's fine. But still pass, cut, move, until you find a high percentage shot.

I agree that it's not part of the spirit of the game but if a defender isn't going to come out to even bring about the threat of a 5-second call on the ball handler, then the offense can do what they want in terms of running what they want to on offense.
 
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