Wisconsin 91, Illinois 88 OT Postgame

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#701      
Not sure I totally understand what you are saying about programs like Illinois, but I respect your viewpoint. It's just, like, how long do you accept good (sometimes great) regular seasons with inexplicable losses sprinkled in every year that derail title chances and little to show for it come tournament time? We just always seem to wear down throughout a season and fall back to average by the tournament (yes, excepting 23-24) for some reason. It's completely deflating for fans who invest in this team year after year.

I mean, it's difficult. But we've done this exercise before. Guys like Painter, Sampson, and Wright would have been put out to pasture long before where underwood is currently at.
 
#703      
Watching Iowa State and Arizona game makes me feel a bit better. Regardless of the outcome of today’s game or the BTT, we are nowhere near the level of the top 4 to 5 teams in the country. It is what it is.
Let’s get to the sweet 16 and hope we don’t face Iowa state
 
#705      
February 28th: “This current Illini team has NO street-ball toughness... The Illini are trying to Euro-Their-Way to a National Title and that ain’t gonna happen. The Euro game is fine but inherently soft. Without street-ball toughness this reveals an Illini weakness. You cannot just finesse your way to a Final Four. This is not a dance competition... The Illini are sliding at a time when they need momentum into the Tournaments.”
– Roundball Sage

Today:

It seems the Fighting Illini (and Coaching staff) all have Headaches... NOT from the loss today but from all this hitting their heads UP AGAINST the Glass Ceiling that keeps them from joining the Upper Elite (year after year).

Can anybody find some Ball Toughness? Or is it like they say... "You Are What You Are".
Roundball Sage is a seer.
 
#706      
I think you have to look at Brad's extension. No conversations will be had on either end. He's got a lifetime contract. Move on to what could happen(and I think should).....the Euro experiment needs to be toned down a LOT. It's great to have the skill, but the lack of having some true athletes is frustrating. That is a discussion that has to happen. Not sure if it's a lack of sufficient NIL money issue?
His contract runs out in 2031 with possible extensions and is a non-compete. Where does the lifetime contract thing come from? I've seen it on here a couple times. He's good enough that the buyout isn't worth it. As he gets older, I presume his game-day weaknesses will become more pronounced.
 
#707      
The most FTAs we've given up this season was 23 against Alabama and MSU (OT game).

Wisconsin shot 28 FTs in the 2nd half and OT (only 2 in the 1st half).

And no, I'm not blaming the refs for the loss. I just wish they didn't ruin an otherwise very entertaining game. I'm tired of guards getting rewarded for flopping while guards who play physical and fight through contact don't get calls. Wagler, Stoj, and Boswell all play very tough. I'm not saying they never flop but I firmly believe they don't get nearly as many whistles as they should.
 
#708      
I mean, it's difficult. But we've done this exercise before. Guys like Painter, Sampson, and Wright would have been put out to pasture long before where underwood is currently at.
Hm. Is this Jay Wright you list? If so, I'd point out he retired at near (sort of) the peak of his career in terms of NCAA success.

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#709      
137 out of 160 3seeds all time have gotten past the first round. Fairly simple logic that achieving something with a 85.6% likelihood shouldn’t require the “would be lucky” lead in?
Thats a high odd.however whats the odds of 3 seed that shoots 5 of 37 and dont rebound?thats just a mix of stats from the past 2 games seriously if we dont make 3s at least and average % and rebounds which we haven't done either since the Oregon game.we won't win many games.were not athletic enough to get away with missing 3s we haven't scored consistently if barely at all from 2 this season and haven't been reboundinggood at all so that leaves it for our defense to win us games.I really dont like relying on a defense that has lost us alot more games then it has won games for us this and would of lost us more games.if not for a couple of good offensive games
 
#712      
I prefer "realistic, pragmatic, observent" to "doom and gloom." But, anyway, I'll take the bait.

Let me ask you, what have you seen over the past month - the most important part of the season - that leads you to think we are destined for a sustained run in the toughest tournament of the season filled with close games, tough individual players that are hard to guard; along with the fact that we have not had real success in it in the past 20 years minus one season with one of the best pure athletes ever to wear an Illini uniform? How long, in this environment of college sports with the amount of money being invested, do you stick with something that is continually contributing to the ongoing frustration of a fanbase that has been one of the most loyal, supporting fanbases in all of the sport when you regularly have the tallest, one of the most talented rosters, etc, etc in all of basketball? How long are you willing to accept the continual dismissal by most of those who follow the sport when discussing the best of the best?
The data that exists doesn't support the idea that late-season record predicts NCAA tournament performance for high seeds. Researchers have looked at all kinds of late-season variables and found they explain almost none of the variance in tournament outcomes. Some teams go in hot and disappoint. Others go in cold and outperform. Peaking at the right time is a compelling narrative but it's largely a myth.
 
#714      
I mean, it's difficult. But we've done this exercise before. Guys like Painter, Sampson, and Wright would have been put out to pasture long before where underwood is currently at.
Agree, it's difficult. Nothing is guaranteed. But your examples kind of lend themselves to the hot seat narrative IMO.

Painter had two sweet 16s in his first 4 years, has 6 overall with a runner up thrown in over 18 years.
Sampson had a final four then an Elite 8 in years 7 & 8 at Oklahoma
Wright got to 2 sweet 16s and elite 8 in years 4, 5, & 7 at Villanova winning it all in year 15 & 17

It's time for long runs to start happening in my humble opinion.
 
#715      
The Kylan technical is a perfect outlier of how crappy the leadership of this years team is from staff down to players. The lack of execution on all levels is just sad. I'm not calling for Brad's job, but, changes need to happen. The ROI for U of I's basketball program is not adding up. This team has been punked on so many levels this year and is damn near becoming unwatchable.
 
#716      
The absolute travesty of officiating we've seen this year has been difficult to watch. Doubly so, that it has cost us at critical junctures. I don't need to recap each and every one, because it's been discussed at length.

Officials don't blow two 15 point leads in a single game. They don't blow a 23 point lead at UCLA. This team has absolutely lost the fire and determination it played with during December and January.

Brad has one more chance to salvage this season. We aren't a 4+ seed. We will be a 3 and should be favored to win against a weaker opponent. There are no more KenPom wins or moral victories. Outside of having Terrence Shannon (who in an alternate universe was leading Michigan to a national title with Hunter and Juwan), Brad falls apart in elimination games. He wins on talent, rarely on coaching.

I've been positive this whole season, and very much so after the Nebraska loss where we found our edge. However, the trends have been downward too long. The recession is here. I'm assuming we get out of round 1 and it will be interesting who we get matched up against.

I'm fully aware of where we were and where we are, and I'm grateful for what Brad has done for our program. Being frustrated in the moment and generally positive about the program direction are not mutually exclusive.

Keep Jake, Mirk and Ty, and maybe Z if you can. The portal is open for everyone else.
 
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#717      
Hope for best in the NCAA tourney, but my god the team's defense stinks to high heaven. Opposing guards have their way with this defense and guess what the tourney is going to consist of? Oh right, really good guard play. Illinois has the offense. The offense is good enough, but the defense is and still a major problem this whole season.
 
#718      
This is what I don’t understand. Tie ball game with 30 seconds left with 1 timeout to draw up a play. He lets Wagler go one on one.
That's his offense though. Guys making plays. It's been his offense his whole time here. Ayo, TSJ, Riley, Wagler. When guys make plays and hit shots, it looks great. When they don't, well we all know.

We all love the analytics lol, I wonder how many threes we shoot off the dribble vs. off the catch. I think it's a lot more of the former, which is an indicator of the offense, or lack there of, being run.
 
#720      
12 seasons prior to Brad:

2006 — second round
2007 — first round
2008 — missed tournament
2009 — first round (upset by Western Kentucky)
2010 — missed tournament
2011 — second round
2012 — missed tournament
2013 — second round
2014 — missed tournament
2015 — missed tournament
2016 — missed tournament
2017 — missed tournament
No question, but if you're happy with 1st weekend flame outs every year he is your man. You will be better than many, but you will never win big. I am sort of over the "he saved us" mantra now, he is simply not a good in game coach.
 
#723      
Watching Iowa State and Arizona game makes me feel a bit better. Regardless of the outcome of today’s game or the BTT, we are nowhere near the level of the top 4 to 5 teams in the country. It is what it is.
Let’s get to the sweet 16 and hope we don’t face Iowa state
There is so much recency bias here. College basketball, particularly this year it seems. has so much volatility week to week and game to game. This Iowa State team that you say we are nowhere near the level of is the same one that lost by 16 to Arizona just 10 days ago; that lost at home to Texas Tech (after Toppin was injured) by 9 after trailing by 16 at half; that lost to BYU not long before that.
 
#724      
"We got to have someone nasty enough and give a !!!! enough that want to go grab a rebound. It's very frustrating." -- Brad Underwood, March 13, 2026
 
#725      
I live in a high pressure world of complex solution sales. Either you win the deal or you lose, 2nd place is the worst place to be as you wasted a ton of time and still came up with nada. So close losses don't mean anything. Looking good early in the sales cycle doesn't count for anything. Binary, win or lose.

If Underwood was in sales in he would looking at being placed on a PIP (Performance Improvement Plan) and if he didn't improve he'd be fired.

His answer to how to solve his continued disappointing losses and underachievement in the NCAA is "just keep trying gosh darn-it".

The question that I have back to you is how long do we as a fan base, Alumni, and especially for donors; do we continue to accept a lack of real results (competing for Championships)? This year...next year...for the next 3-5 years....

I look at historic performance data and Brad's isn't great, especially for the investment that has been made to him, his staff, our facilities, and our team.

Just my take, fire away.
I'm in high stakes sales and your analogy hits hard. However, I think this all depends on our expectations for this team and program. Are we expecting to truly compete for Final Fours, top quarter BIG conference finishes with SW16's here and there, or to just be relevant and make the tourney as a respectable seed?

If we expect to compete for Final Fours, then this won't cut it and we should really be pissed. If it is SW16 appearances and nothing more, then this season is probably going as expected. If we just want to be relevant, then this season is a big success.
 
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