Wisconsin 92, Illinois 90 OT Postgame

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ejam21
Poe's Law said:
Will he though? One year at Evansville and two years here. He probably has a pretty good case for one more if he wants it.
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that would be somethign...this version of ben we've seen last like 7 games is damn good

Since the slump ended (7 games ago), hes hit 50% or better from the 3 on 6 out of 7 games and shot 15/44 (44%) on threes......if he can keep that up, look out

But like Indy said, the improvement on defense, even before this stretch, has been staggering. Just completely bought in there
 
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mikeyillini
Regarding the 10 seconds It looks like baldy signaled the player crossed half court in time. The TV shot clock is often not in sync. Is there a baseline view?
 
#629      
EmeraldCityIllini
HailtotheChief said:
When the 2 primary ballhandlers have 9 turnovers maybe at least try your 1 true PG who wasnt healthy the for half the season, was a star in the 2nd best league in the world, and hasnt had a true opportunity to see what he can do only playing 37 minutes in B10 games. Most of which is in mop up minutes. When Keaton sat for a minute we lost a fairly good lead in literally a minute due to turnovers. When we have seen guys not get a real opportunity here so they go elsewhere and go off. We lack quickness to the loose balls and ball handling without Kylan and we need to play a true at times PG to help Keaton. Brad wont and Mirk cant do it extensively vs quucker guys.

We need someone to get in the lane sone and create besides Keaton. Tomi did posting and Mihailo once again was not given a chance.
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100% Mirk turnovers were bad in that stretch. But he’s been pretty good at handling the ball all year - I don’t think quickness has much to do with it, one he literally just dribbled off his leg.

Now, in the few minutes Petro has gotten. Turnovers…
 
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Kernal12
ejam21 said:
that would be somethign...this version of ben we've seen last like 7 games is damn good

Since the slump ended (7 games ago), hes hit 50% or better from the 3 on 6 out of 7 games and shot 15/44 (44%) on threes......if he can keep that up, look out

But like Indy said, the improvement on defense, even before this stretch, has been staggering. Just completely bought in there
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Ben's defense, rebounding and hustle plays have been outstanding this year. When he's making shots his value is through the roof. My guess is that when the full roster is back Ben is still earning 20+ minutes a game.
 
#631      
Oldskoolkoach
The medical staff isn’t going to force a kid to sit with a slightly sprained ankle …

The hard part of the whole thing for me is that I guess I just got used to guys toughing it out … Trent played hurt ALL. THE. TIME. … DMFW played hurt … I mean those guys were warriors and I thought that was the standard … EDGs …

Deciding to sit and rest it after playing on it the whole MSU game and practicing … Need this win … At least try and give it a go and if you can’t then hey you tried at least … Just doesn’t sit well with me that there wasn’t even an attempt …

And people can disagree and that’s fine …
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Same discussion we had on the way home last night. What happened to the days when you taped it, taped it even tighter and gave what you could no matter how little, or how much.

3rd school in 3 years, right?
 
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Oldskoolkoach
ejam21 said:
that would be somethign...this version of ben we've seen last like 7 games is damn good

Since the slump ended (7 games ago), hes hit 50% or better from the 3 on 6 out of 7 games and shot 15/44 (44%) on threes......if he can keep that up, look out

But like Indy said, the improvement on defense, even before this stretch, has been staggering. Just completely bought in there
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15/44 is 34% if my math is correct.

Regardless, ive always been a Ben fan and thonk he does a lot of things nobody else is willing or can do.
 
#634      
HailtotheChief
EmeraldCityIllini said:
100% Mirk turnovers were bad in that stretch. But he’s been pretty good at handling the ball all year - I don’t think quickness has much to do with it, one he literally just dribbled off his leg.

Now, in the few minutes Petro has gotten. Turnovers…
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He has not had enough to know. His league he came from is better than the B10. A lot of good players in that league. T, Z and Mirk were role players there. Mihailo hasnt played much since being healthy. I recall the same stuff about Podz. Mihailo has not had a real shot while healthy yet. Without Kykan we need him. No way can Mirk handle the ball as well as Mihailo, Come on.
 
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Chuck Nuggets
First as a student I did my time supporting the team. Four years undergrad and two years grad school plus a year in between where I drove down on weekends to the games. Always had season tickets. Always showed up and my vocal cords were hoarse afterwards. Second, I was at the Nebraska game in Lincoln week before last doing the same thing. Third, my wife and I make the 7 hour trip to Champaign at least once a year specifically to see a game. Not easy with work and kids and life but we make the effort.

So, respectfully, your comment is misplaced.
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Respectfully, it is not. It is right on target.
 
#636      
BWBW
What happened after the game with John Fanta?
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They loosened his shorts and he spoke with a deeper voice.
 
#638      
ejam21
Curbelo Fanboy said:
This game brought back the bad memories of what I call "Underwood Specials". Home losses that just should not happen. We seem to have at least 2 a year & that costs you a line or 2 on the seeding at the end.

Objectively Brad has done great things for this program & I am not one of those crazy "fire the coach" types, but to be honest he is not a good in game coach "when stuff goes sideways". We look like the best team in the country when the 3 ball hits but when it doesn't we have struggles. Shot good in this game except for from the line so tonight it was other things.

He has had a solid month without Boswell to figure out how to hide Petro, Lee or some walk on for 5 minutes a night to give Wagler a blow.

I just don't trust him in a big spot against say a UCONN, Duke, Arizona type of team to come up with a game plan that catches the other team off guard. Kind of guy that can get you to the sweet 16 but the title is probably a pipe dream.
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As frustrating as these are, they arent unique to underwood/Illinois...lets look at some of the better programs since 2020 and their home losses where they were favored more than 5-6 pts

MSU/Izzo
Loss to 54 Net Indiana as 12 pt fav
Back to back home losses to Iowa and OSU (62 and 49 NET) in '24
Home losses to Northwestern in back to years, on of which NW was barely top 100

Wisconsin/Gard
This year vs USC 9 pt fav
'25 vs PSU (NEt 66) double digit favorite
"24 home vs 90th Net Wake forest,
'22 home vs 77th rutgers and the infamous loss to 141th Nebraska with the outright title on the line

Michigan:
This same Wisky team beat them, but they were full strentgh 19 pt favorites
'24 Loss to Long beach state at home, loss to 98 indiana at home, 89 minnesota, 83 rutgers
'23 loss to 300+ NEt central michigan,
'22 loss to seton hall as 9 pt favorites (37 NET), loss to 103 minny as double digit favorite,
'21 pummeled by us as 9 pt favorites first game with no ayo (ok this shouldnt count but i bet if we got utterly destroyed by a team without their best player at home, this board would lose it)

Purdue
'25 lost to 41 OSU as 10 pt favs
'23 Rutgers adn indiana 8/6 pt favs,
'22 Wisconsin as 13 pt favs (think wisky was missing key players)

I would hardly say only underwood has home duds

There is evidence that you could be right about your take on the title, but he's adapted a LOT over the course of these 9 years, lets hope he can keep evolving.
 
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BalloonsTheElephant
Indy Illini Fan said:
The medical staff isn’t going to force a kid to sit with a slightly sprained ankle …

The hard part of the whole thing for me is that I guess I just got used to guys toughing it out … Trent played hurt ALL. THE. TIME. … DMFW played hurt … I mean those guys were warriors and I thought that was the standard … EDGs …

Deciding to sit and rest it after playing on it the whole MSU game and practicing … Need this win … At least try and give it a go and if you can’t then hey you tried at least … Just doesn’t sit well with me that there wasn’t even an attempt …

And people can disagree and that’s fine …
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I sprained my ankle during a pickup game and basically retied my shoe tighter and played for another couple hours. Two days I could barely stand to put weight on it.

Maybe the elite athlete knows his body better than we do and has the final say. Maybe we lose the battle to win the war later, which is fine. We should have won regardless. Worsening the injury is worse than losing this game.
 
#640      
hooraybeer
Chuck Nuggets said:
Again, that's very easy to say sitting behind a computer.
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why the defensiveness? if you are a season ticket holder, especially if a long time season ticket holder, you have to have noticed the things we’re talking about over the years. would be interested to hear your perspective on the issue and any possible solutions
 
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Indy Illini Fan
Get yourself a new map said:
I rewatched the MSU game on Sunday and I'm not going to torture myself like that again. What I noticed from the MSU game, which I'm sure was repeated again last night:
I want to count how many times all 5 guys were simply not on the same page defensively. I'm talking one guy looking to get matched up while the other 4 are in zone, and vice versa. Some times it lead right to a guy receiving a pass and someone having to scramble to rotate. Other times, it's a guy running up to set a ball screen and nobody going with him because that guy defending the screener thinks he's in zone and the guy getting screened is playing man.
Or it's just that guys were not ready to lock in immediately after the ball crosses half court. Like you have guys not knowing where the ball is and Fears has a foot inside the arc driving toward the basket with 23 seconds on the shot clock. Happened a ton in the second half at MSU and I attribute it to guys being too tired to get organized. Tomi pretty much the most common culprit with Mirk and Z contributing their fair share.
Gotta find a way to keep guys fresh enough so that they can stay mentally locked in for 40.
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Yes … He’s lost defensively WAY too much … I want him to try and block shots but I think he had like 3 goaltending’s ??? Gotta be smart with it …
 
#644      
CoalCity
Poe's Law said:
Will he though? One year at Evansville and two years here. He probably has a pretty good case for one more if he wants it.
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Can't hurt to try for it, if he improves year over year again he would be a hell of a player next season
 
#645      
mysterio2525
EmeraldCityIllini said:
100% Mirk turnovers were bad in that stretch. But he’s been pretty good at handling the ball all year - I don’t think quickness has much to do with it, one he literally just dribbled off his leg.

Now, in the few minutes Petro has gotten. Turnovers…
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totally agree. he made mistakes, even Keaton did but they are in a tough spot. would have loved Brandon Lee to be in there even for a bit to defend against one of the Wisconsin guards but he wasn't exactly good when he got in so I'll just assume he needs more time to be ready for that moment. petro can't defend izzo's great grandmother so he wasn't gonna help much either
 
#646      
Indy Illini Fan
HailtotheChief said:
When the 2 primary ballhandlers have 9 turnovers
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Petro would’ve only caused the turnover number to increase …

I do not disagree at all we needed another ball handler … I was on here all Summer saying we needed a Malachi Smith type … You have to have veteran ball handlers … Just have to …

Bam was the only proven handler we had coming in this year and he’s better when isn’t the only handler …

Petro arriving late … Lee & Wagler freshman … Now we all know what Wagler has become and we are thankful and blessed to have him be what he is … But going into the season, I wasn’t at all happy with the backcourt … Needed to bring in another veteran who could handle it …

When Brad is able to bring a Feliz, or good Curbelo off the bench … His teams have been very good … I know he thought that’d be Petro but anyone could see he wasn’t going to be a plus defensively and arriving late don’t help … I think multiple portal guards is #1 on my list for next year …
 
#647      
RockfordIllini
ejam21 said:
As frustrating as these are, they arent unique to underwood/Illinois...lets look at some of the better programs since 2020 and their home losses where they were favored more than 5-6 pts

MSU/Izzo
Loss to 54 Net Indiana as 12 pt fav
Back to back home losses to Iowa and OSU (62 and 49 NET) in '24
Home losses to Northwestern in back to years, on of which NW was barely top 100

Wisconsin/Gard
This year vs USC 9 pt fav
'25 vs PSU (NEt 66) double digit favorite
"24 home vs 90th Net Wake forest,
'22 home vs 77th rutgers and the infamous loss to 141th Nebraska with the outright title on the line

Michigan:
This same Wisky team beat them, but they were full strentgh 19 pt favorites
'24 Loss to Long beach state at home, loss to 98 indiana at home, 89 minnesota, 83 rutgers
'23 loss to 300+ NEt central michigan,
'22 loss to seton hall as 9 pt favorites (37 NET), loss to 103 minny as double digit favorite,
'21 pummeled by us as 9 pt favorites first game with no ayo (ok this shouldnt count but i bet if we got utterly destroyed by a team without their best player at home, this board would lose it)

Purdue
'25 lost to 41 OSU as 10 pt favs
'23 Rutgers adn indiana 8/6 pt favs,
'22 Wisconsin as 13 pt favs (think wisky was missing key players)

I would hardly say only underwood has home duds

There is evidence that you could be right about your take on the title, but he's adapted a LOT over the course of these 9 years, lets hope he can keep evolving.
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And just as a reminder, we had the privilege of playing the top scoring backcourt in the league without our 2 primary backcourt defenders on a short turn, an incredibly unlucky draw. Not saying we haven’t had our share of letdown losses during Underwood’s tenure or he is without blame for last night, but it’s not like the Penn State loss a few years back where we came out completely flat after being out partying at Kam’s the night before.
 
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bavanga3
fatt lacosse said:
No, we know exactly which bench guys are able to contribute. When healthy, we have an 8 man rotation. Last night showed Underwood would rather play 6 than have anyone outside the top 8 take meaningful minutes. He clearly trusts nobody outside of Ivisic x2, Stojakovic, Mirkovic, Wagler, Boswell, Davis and Humrichous. If you're not one of those players you will not be on the court unless we're up by 30
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Brad Underwood always said scholarships are like gold. So if we're down 2 guys and aren't willing to tap into the bench, thats an indictment on him. In reality, I just think hes stubborn. Maybe the Carey Booth situation last year scared him about trusting the bench too much, and now hes OVERcompensating. Its a good thing we have guys coming back soon, because its not sustainable.

Id like to see more tick from Mihailo in situations like this. Its his first year and he needs to adjust. He's shown the ability to create for others. No reason you can't throw him in there for a few minutes heading into a media timeout.
 
#649      
FromTheLogo
We had 6-6" (not named Wagler) and 6-9", not to mention a couple 7+-footers trying to keep up with quick guards. They are just slower to loose balls and long rebounds.

Then, our drop coverage led to top of the key three-pointers by one of the streakiest shooters in the land (Rapp). He was "on".

Question: Did we play even a minute of zone? Was looking for some iteration but after our bigs kept getting smoked by their quick guards, I thought we'd see something change.
 
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ejam21
RockfordIllini said:
And just as a reminder, we had the privilege of playing the top scoring backcourt in the league without our 2 primary backcourt defenders on a short turn, an incredibly unlucky draw. Not saying we haven’t had our share of letdown losses during Underwood’s tenure or he is without blame for last night, but it’s not like the Penn State loss a few years back where we came out completely flat after being out partying at Kam’s the night before.
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Plus on the other side of the spectrum, i think there was a graphic showing we are among the best at knocking off top teams on the road in BU's tenure....
 
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