Year 2 or Year 3?

Is this Year 2 or 3 of the Lovie rebuild/regime?

  • Year 2

    Votes: 51 89.5%

  • Year 3

    Votes: 6 10.5%
  • Total voters
    57
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Hoppy2105

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I wanted to get a little discussion going in the football forum as we close in on about a month and a half from the season.

Literally, this is year 3 of the Lovie regime. However, the timing of his hiring made it somewhat ambiguous. This upcoming year will only be his 2nd year with his recruits.

Do most posters consider this truly year 3 of his rebuild? Or year 2? Or some combo?

To further that line of questioning, should Lovie be held to the same standard this year as a normal year 3 coach? Was he the most to blame for the first seasons results?
 
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FiveStar

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A long 2 for me. Already had a class signed he couldn’t do anything about, but still got that first spring practice. It’s an odd balance.
 
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Hoppy2105

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Little Rock, Arkansas
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FiveStar said:
A long 2 for me. Already had a class signed he couldn’t do anything about, but still got that first spring practice. It’s an odd balance.
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I’d say it’s something like 2.5 for me as well. Although, if I had to only choose between the 2, I’d choose year 2.

In fact, if it were up to me, I’d wipe his “year 1” from the memories of everyone. (Though, I was at the UNC game and it. Freakin. ROCKED...until we lost by like 30)
 
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ktal

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2.5
He'll be two years into building his team once all the freshman are on campus.
He's in the third year of building his organization.
The first year was used learning who wasn't going to make it. And he's been bringing in people who can, ever since.
W-L will mostly reflect the stage of development of the team, in any given year. The health of the organization will be reflected in the volatility, or lack thereof, in the year-to-year performance of the team.
When Lovie retires, I'm hoping he has about a straight decade of 7+ win seasons, with at least one B1G crown and a handful of division titles. And I believe he and his staff are capable of it.
 
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Desert Illini

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ktal said:
2.5
He'll be two years into building his team once all the freshman are on campus.
He's in the third year of building his organization.
The first year was used learning who wasn't going to make it. And he's been bringing in people who can, ever since.
W-L will mostly reflect the stage of development of the team, in any given year. The health of the organization will be reflected in the volatility, or lack thereof, in the year-to-year performance of the team.
When Lovie retires, I'm hoping he has about a straight decade of 7+ win seasons, with at least one B1G crown and a handful of division titles. And I believe he and his staff are capable of it.
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Except the choices given were year 2, or year 3. Quit changing the parameters of the question, quit waffling. Pick one, or pick the other.

It is most definitely year 2 of the rebuild/recruiting. Any other coach at any other program would be given a pass in this exact situation.
 
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Hoppy2105

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Little Rock, Arkansas
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Any year 3ers want to chime in?

Who is it that has been talking to donors and those donors are miffed about Lovie’s performance so far?

Maybe they are the only year 3 crowd...
 
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Hoppy2105 said:
Any year 3ers want to chime in?

Who is it that has been talking to donors and those donors are miffed about Lovie’s performance so far?

Maybe they are the only year 3 crowd...
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ThunderIllini
 
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ChiefIllini

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After this season is over, he will have been the HFC for three football seasons. Maybe I should've cast my vote for two, since I would probably say this will be the second year of the rebuild (as the question states).

I think most people are in agreement that barring some ridiculous events this year, he's safe. If after next year he fails to win more than 3/4 games (as others have stated) then you've got to start wondering whether this thing is gonna pan out. Honestly, if im Whitman, im not sure I know whether or not to "count" his first year when reviewing his tenure. I think I would say this is the 2nd meaningful year of Lovie's career here.
 
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Second and Chalmers

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Hoppy2105 said:
Dislike. No write-in ballots. :thumb: Make your choice!

But please do elaborate on your response.
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Year 2 and Year 3 are terms that have broader meaning in the context of college football. People who follow the game understand where that represents in the process. This is Lovie's third year of working with this team and instituting his system and his ideas, but he didn't have the opportunity to put together a recruiting class for his first year. It's Coaching Year 3 and Recruiting Year 2, thus, 2.5
 
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BRucks

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This guy says year 3:

Lovie: Year three of the overhaul for us is on the way. We established some things we needed to take care of — one being facilities. Really excited about our state of the art facility we'll be moving into at this time next year. #Illini

Lovie: A lot of exciting things are happening as we talk about Year 3 of the rebuild. When you start 15 true freshmen and one redshirt freshman that tells you about where you're at with your program. #Illini

Lovie: Year 3 will produce results. #Illini
 
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Hoppy2105

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Second and Chalmers said:
I give Lovie a lot of credit for not leaning on "trust the process" type rhetoric. He has never just accepted or expected losing. Fans should take him at his word.
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I agree. He is owning his entire year one because, to him, the rebuild meant more than just the recruits on the field.

I wonder if we asked him specifically if the actual on-field results should resemble a team in its 3rd year or 2nd year, if he’d still say 3rd year.
 
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ktal

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Desert Illini said:
Except the choices given were year 2, or year 3. Quit changing the parameters of the question, quit waffling. Pick one, or pick the other.
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Except the question was, "Do most posters consider this truly year 3 of his rebuild? Or year 2? Or some combo?"

Two for team, three for Org, (2+3)/2 = 2.5 is a combo. No waffling. And has the added benefit of drawing attention to the fact that the there's a difference between the players and the organization.

If you have an issue with non-binary thinking...well, your problem isn't with me or my answer.
 
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breadman

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Lovie said he is in year three at his presser in Chicago today.
So, I'm going with what the coach says.
 
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illini80

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Year 3.

Cue the John Gross "I can count." Gif

Doesn't matter does it? Next year is the first year that losing will really matter. Realistically he probably has 2 more years no matter what.
 
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Hoppy2105 said:
Any year 3ers want to chime in?

Who is it that has been talking to donors and those donors are miffed about Lovie’s performance so far?

Maybe they are the only year 3 crowd...
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Yes, it's year 3 in the sense that this is his third year coaching this team, developing the players, etc. Obviously he hasn't been recruiting for a full three years.

That doesn't mean he should be blamed for the results in 2016. It doesn't mean he should be on the hot seat because he's going to likely have a third consecutive abysmal season. It doesn't mean we need to fire the guy or change the way we look at him.

But it's year 3 according to the record books, and the books don't lie. There's no real sense twisting our logic or recollection to pretend as if 2016 didn't happen.
 
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redwingillini11

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Its basically a year two in my book. However, there should really be some amount of improvement in the win loss column by the end of the year. Hoping for 2 or 3 B1G wins.
 
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ktal

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breadman said:
Lovie said he is in year three at his presser in Chicago today.
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It's the third year he has been to B1G Ten Media Day, so yeah, he's going to say that.

He also said, "When we're playing 16 freshman...you can see where we're at.", which is his subtle way of saying "I've brought in one group of guys, and they've played one year, so we're going to need to develop them." And despite that, he is NOT shying away from saying "You should see progress."

I'm big on process. Lovie is all about process. And Lovie's comments at media day are that he is pleased with where they are in the process, (meaning he's seeing the measurables move in line with his expectations), and that in his experience, that will show up on the field. But it isn't a god predictor of W/L, yet.
 
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Deleted member 654622

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breadman said:
Lovie said he is in year three at his presser in Chicago today.
So, I'm going with what the coach says.
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Lovie also said on the Jeremy Werner show that it is year 2 of the rebuild so.....