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Old Aug 11, 2017, 07:56 AM   #501
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Question for y'all. Would you rather....

Go 6-6 and make a bowl game? We all agree this would be a good accomplishment.

Or only win 2, 3, maybe 4 games but one of those wins is @Ohio St?

I think it's a good debate. IMO either scenario would make me excited for the future.
6-6 and a bowl game. To win 2,3 or 4 and beat OSU would mean that there would be some BAD losses too.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 08:35 AM   #502
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6-6 and a bowl game. To win 2,3 or 4 and beat OSU would mean that there would be some BAD losses too.


I just remembered someone saying Luke Ford will only come here if we make a bowl game, if that is the case, I change my answer to 6-6.

If not, I'll still take the OSU win. As a team who will be in the CFP, a win against them will garner 1000x more positive attention than beating some average big ten teams and barely making a bowl game.

Also, the 2-4 wins is a pretty big range. I would definitely do that trade for 4 wins but probably for 2....


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Old Aug 11, 2017, 09:16 AM   #503
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6 wins and a bowl is way more important long term.

Bowl game team label
More practices
Prospects to attend bowl game practices
Young team having more allotted time with coaches
Big public step to moving the trend upwards.
Team development
Media/public image beginning to change
Recruiting pitch young team who is in a bowl.


I would gladly take all of that over:

Hey we won 3 games BUT one of them was against OSU.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 09:24 AM   #504
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Can I take option C? Winning 5 games, with one of them being over OSU, and getting backdoored into a bowl game

We aren't beating OSU though. I do think we will snag an unexpected one or more out of USF, Nebraska, Northwestern, Minnesota though.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 09:30 AM   #505
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Bowl game means much more for the direction of the program.

As someone stated, 6-6 and a bowl game just might get Lovie coach of the year, which will, should, result in positive recruiting momentum.

Perhaps a better question is if we will only win 3,4 games which one game do you want to win?

I'd take NU being a Chicago resident.

I'd rather a win or two come at the end of the season, which could allow for some positive momentum going into the offseason and an easier sell to recruits about the program turning around.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 09:55 AM   #506
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6-6 and a bowl game. To win 2,3 or 4 and beat OSU would mean that there would be some BAD losses too.
This is a task to make reality, but a reachable goal. If we are less than .500, I'm pretty sure Lovie will be disappointed. Do I think we make .500, not sure, but if these kids believe that they can win, they will. Defense is going to have take alot of load, make turnover, and score. Offense just needs to not hurt themselves. If those 2 things happen, we will be where we need to be.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 10:04 AM   #507
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 10:54 AM   #508
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This is a task to make reality, but a reachable goal. If we are less than .500, I'm pretty sure Lovie will be disappointed. Do I think we make .500, not sure, but if these kids believe that they can win, they will. Defense is going to have take alot of load, make turnover, and score. Offense just needs to not hurt themselves. If those 2 things happen, we will be where we need to be.
Believe it or not, belief is a tertiary factor. Talent, experience and depth dwarf belief. We will have to thread the needle to go 6-6. That said, I firmly believe that our football program is headed in the right direction.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 11:19 AM   #509
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Believe it or not, belief is a tertiary factor. Talent, experience and depth dwarf belief. We will have to thread the needle to go 6-6. That said, I firmly believe that our football program is headed in the right direction.
Great observation. It's a challenge knowing we are going to struggle this year, but the attitude of our players is encouraging. The media and most fans have low expectations which is probably a good thing. Normally, I hate watching games where we are being outplayed, but this year is somewhat different. I'm interested not only in the score, but watching our players develop over the course of the season.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 11:58 AM   #510
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Apparently Dudek has made a few Dudek-like catches so far.

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Old Aug 11, 2017, 12:13 PM   #511
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Question for y'all. Would you rather....

Go 6-6 and make a bowl game? We all agree this would be a good accomplishment.

Or only win 2, 3, maybe 4 games but one of those wins is @Ohio St?

I think it's a good debate. IMO either scenario would make me excited for the future.
6 wins and a bowl game, definitely. Better for the overall development of the program.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 12:25 PM   #512
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What makes college football fun is that there are always surprises. There will be teams that are expected to be good who will struggle and those who significantly exceed expectations. There will be early and late season upsets. I think we make a bowl game this year one way or another. It will be fun.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 01:14 PM   #513
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Man, we have so many freshmen who are going to play or start, it's hard to predict much beyond 4 wins. But we do have some wild cards that if the stars align we could get to 6. Like if Dudek comes back with an All-Big/American type season, or if Crouch shows he's perfect for this offense while improving his accuracy. Or if one of our freshman, like Smalling or Epstein, really breaks out. A lot of ifs. The problem is our O and D lines. So much technique, experience and body transformation are needed that relying on young guys is a big detriment.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 02:45 PM   #514
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Man, we have so many freshmen who are going to play or start, it's hard to predict much beyond 4 wins. But we do have some wild cards that if the stars align we could get to 6. Like if Dudek comes back with an All-Big/American type season, or if Crouch shows he's perfect for this offense while improving his accuracy. Or if one of our freshman, like Smalling or Epstein, really breaks out. A lot of ifs. The problem is our O and D lines. So much technique, experience and body transformation are needed that relying on young guys is a big detriment.
One thing that Doug Buchson from Rivals said today in a Herald & Review Podcast interview with Mark Tupper is how good the freshmen look. His broader point was that the Illini staff know how to evaluate players--Lovie has a clear idea of what attributes he's looking for and it's showing up in these freshmen. The coaches are not surprised by how well they are doing.
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 03:41 PM   #515
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One thing that Doug Buchson from Rivals said today in a Herald & Review Podcast interview with Mark Tupper is how good the freshmen look. His broader point was that the Illini staff know how to evaluate players--Lovie has a clear idea of what attributes he's looking for and it's showing up in these freshmen. The coaches are not surprised by how well they are doing.
Thanks for sharing. It made me feel like things are looking up for the program. It was nice to hear the comments how the freshmen look more like athletes and football players than what they have had the last few years.

Tupper said Larry Boyd was 360 when he arrived, but is something like 250 now (this is around the 4:40 mark). That can't possibly be right, can it? 110 pounds lighter???

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Old Aug 11, 2017, 04:06 PM   #516
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Thanks for sharing. It made me feel like things are looking up for the program. It was nice to hear the comments how the freshmen look more like athletes and football players than what they have had the last few years.

Tupper said Larry Boyd was 360 when he arrived, but is something like 250 now (this is around the 4:40 mark). That can't possibly be right, can it? 110 pounds lighter???
Yeah it definitely sounds like 250. Doesn't seem like it would be possible to drop that much weight and still be strong/healthy. The guy did also seem like maybe he was just picking a number out of the air. Maybe he's saying the way Boyd holds 300+ lbs looks more like 250 on his frame?
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 04:13 PM   #517
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I was reading ESPN and an article about Michigan came up, I thought it would be interesting to share. Apparently Michigan is a VERY young team as well.

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"We know it's important to fill the holes and play well because that's why we came here, to win championships," Hudson said.

And being this young and inexperienced won't be an excuse. That's been proved by the last three College Football Playoff national champions. Clemson, Alabama and Ohio State each had at least 22 true and redshirt freshmen who saw game action in their respective championship seasons.

Harbaugh has embraced the challenge that lies ahead. He hasn't looked at the youth as an excuse that lowers expectations, but rather as an opportunity for his players, the prospects he recruited, to get Michigan to the Big Ten title game and beyond.

"Really excited about it, because historically I have learned that the biggest jump you can make as a player in college, biggest single year, is going from that freshman year to that sophomore year," Harbaugh said. "Those 12 months that you have to train yourself, but also now everything they do from this moment on, the rest of this entire year, they've already done before. I don't have a study to show you, but experience has taught me that that's when you can make your biggest improvement in one year as a football player."
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Old Aug 11, 2017, 10:30 PM   #518
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Great observation. It's a challenge knowing we are going to struggle this year, but the attitude of our players is encouraging. The media and most fans have low expectations which is probably a good thing. Normally, I hate watching games where we are being outplayed, but this year is somewhat different. I'm interested not only in the score, but watching our players develop over the course of the season.
This this this. They're going to play their hearts out, and we need to support them this year thru thick and thin. It's going to pay off in the long run. The staff is doing all the right things and if the kids play to the best of their ability we can't really ask for more this year. Get in the stands and give them standing O's when the game is over.
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Old Aug 12, 2017, 02:00 PM   #519
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This this this. They're going to play their hearts out, and we need to support them this year thru thick and thin. It's going to pay off in the long run. The staff is doing all the right things and if the kids play to the best of their ability we can't really ask for more this year. Get in the stands and give them standing O's when the game is over.
100% this. I'm expecting 2006-esque scorelines, but with 2-4 more tilting our way. This team will, like that 2006 team, put the "fight" back in Fighting Illini. Can't wait to see it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_I..._football_team
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Old Aug 13, 2017, 04:41 AM   #520
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I've been reading everything from "these guys couldn't beat Miss Peach's kindergarten class" to, well, not that they're going to beat Alabama this year but that we go bowling this year. Although the optimists seem to be a lot more guarded than the Negative Nellies, who are cocksure about the inevitability of their prognostications.

I dunno. I think we have no idea of how these guys are going to work out. But I guess, what fun would this forum be if everyone agreed? I'm just eager for the season to start so we can see just what Lovie hath wrought so far.
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Old Aug 13, 2017, 09:10 AM   #521
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Really, really long training camp scrimmage yesterday. So I wrote 2,500 words about it because football.
https://illiniboard.com/story/2017/8...mage-thoughts/
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Old Aug 13, 2017, 04:48 PM   #522
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Old Aug 13, 2017, 05:19 PM   #523
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After reading these two latest (excellent) articles, I'm sticking with my 3-4 win prediction for this season, with a bowl game next year. So many freshmen on the field will make it hard to sustain long drives.
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Old Aug 13, 2017, 06:00 PM   #524
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6 wins and a bowl is way more important long term.

Bowl game team label
More practices
Prospects to attend bowl game practices
Young team having more allotted time with coaches
Big public step to moving the trend upwards.
Team development
Media/public image beginning to change
Recruiting pitch young team who is in a bowl.


I would gladly take all of that over:

Hey we won 3 games BUT one of them was against OSU.
Thanks Stan, these details are what I was alluding to for the program., stated much better than I.

Definitely will take 6-6 and Bowl Game over just a W over OSU. Now if it was just a W over Michigan I MIGHT change my mind

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Old Aug 13, 2017, 07:14 PM   #525
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. All that's fine, but no, hook up your Orange Koolaid IV in your right arm and Blue Koolaid in your left and see how the Fighting Illini go 10-0 in 2017. It could happen.
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