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Old Oct 9, 2017, 02:11 AM   #1376
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So, are you all trying to understand these recruitments or predict them? This board has a strong conversational focus on the minutia, almost to the point where the concensus, IMO, fails to see the forest for the trees.

WRT Nolley Iím pretty sure Illini coaches knew they were 2nd or 3rd. Thatís why they sent the whole staff. Iím pretty sure UGA knew they were 1st otherwise they wouldnít have wasted time and $$ on an OV. I have a hard time believing amongst all that his parents didnít know. Maybe he wanted to surprise them? It wasnít an impulse commitment because he stated himself he had known for weeks.

Chances obviously are itís going to be either Illini or VT next choice, or he waits till spring.That final cut placing us ď3rdĒ doesnít matter since he had already selected UGA when we were eliminated. I just donít understand hanging on every tweet and Crystal ball in the mean time.

Iím a long time lurker and appreciate all the great contributions from the more active posters. The prognosticating after every tweet I think detracts from some great OC (shout out to miketherevelator), and discussion. This goes back to BTFs ďlocksĒ and Lincolnís Chiefs.

Dan, anyway we can get another thread going? Maybe one for prognosticators, one for discussing players,their abilities, roster and scheme fit, etc?

Anybody second that?
Concur with the first 3 paragraphs. But what is OC? Original content?

New thread? Why? The posts, posters, and friendly debate has diminished on here significantly the past year or so for a myriad of reasons. Don't need to look for reasons to filter, dilute, or otherwise minimize the content further IMHO.

Let's win some games! The discussions will become more numerous, and turn more positive, when that happens. The season can't start soon enough for most of us on here.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 04:58 AM   #1377
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Manning has won 29% of his conference games at Wake and 45% overall in his three years.Wake has been much worse than we were under Groce and Weber,missing the tourney 8 out of last 10.Kid needs to be reminded of this when he visits.


As a way of us proving that We are the tallest midget?


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Old Oct 9, 2017, 05:03 AM   #1378
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Since Coach Chin has been thinking for the last month that Nolley was locked in, I'm sure he has checked in with him to see what's going on. But I don't think the entire staff will be planning a flight to GA again, lol.
TIFWIW, but Ryan Evan on Twitter had a talk last night and said to his knowledge, the staff has NOT reached out again thus far in regards to Nolley.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all in on this Finnish kid who will arrive on campus tomorrow. Part of the scouting report I read on him mentioned BU's philosophy saying that he would fit position less basketball. Lock him and Ayo up, then push hard for THT and one big.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 05:19 AM   #1379
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TIFWIW, but Ryan Evan on Twitter had a talk last night and said to his knowledge, the staff has NOT reached out again thus far in regards to Nolley.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all in on this Finnish kid who will arrive on campus tomorrow. Part of the scouting report I read on him mentioned BU's philosophy saying that he would fit position less basketball. Lock him and Ayo up, then push hard for THT and one big.
BU said he doesn't have to beg anyone to come here. Now, if Nolley contacts us and says that we are still under consideration, you say "good, we'd be glad to have you," but I don't see us running to him.

Your scenario with Ayo, Valtonen, THT and a big, would be a fantastic class. Let's hope domino one falls this week with Valtonen, followed by Ayo on his visit.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 06:35 AM   #1380
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I truly believe Ayo is the piece that we need to return to glory. With that said its just so hard to be positive with the amount of bad luck we have had with the 18' class. I do believe Wake is leading and after reading an article tonight where Ayo said his Wake visit was a 10/10 I will remain super cautious. Not expecting anything but one thing I know I will love my illini until the day Im buried. Go illini
This sums me up too

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 06:35 AM   #1381
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For all those saying Ayo is the program changing recruit, I just want to remind you all the times we said that under Groce. DJax, Cliff, Brunson, Snider, Evans, Thomas, am I missing anyone else?

If we miss on Ayo there will still be plenty more "program changers" out there. If Groce gets just one of those guys, he might still be here.
I think you just proved the point of how important it is to get that "program changing recruit" early in your tenure.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 06:36 AM   #1382
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I read the news today....Oh, boy.
We didn't notice that the lights had changed......
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 06:42 AM   #1383
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Ayo was leaning WF, but then changed his mind and let Nolley know, hence the swift de-commit.

Sound good? Let's go with that.
I like your optimism. The board's been a roller coaster the past few weeks, so nothing wrong with some (potentially false) hope. Gives me reason to keep checking.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 07:01 AM   #1384
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TIFWIW, but Ryan Evan on Twitter had a talk last night and said to his knowledge, the staff has NOT reached out again thus far in regards to Nolley.

I don't know about y'all, but I'm all in on this Finnish kid who will arrive on campus tomorrow. Part of the scouting report I read on him mentioned BU's philosophy saying that he would fit position less basketball. Lock him and Ayo up, then push hard for THT and one big.
I doubt it will happen, but if we land Ayo and THT, I won't care about much else. Those have been the top 2 wants by a lot of people the whole time.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 07:22 AM   #1385
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Dan, anyway we can get another thread going? Maybe one for prognosticators, one for discussing players,their abilities, roster and scheme fit, etc?

Anybody second that?
Agree w/your previous points. OTOH, this suggestion will never work. Akin to herding cats.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 07:56 AM   #1386
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2005 was an epic recruiting failure. Absolutely epic. When you combine with the 2006 class and consider that those classes came in the midst of our 2005 run, it's incredible to see that we winded up with 2 classes consisting of Jamar Smith, Chester Frazier, Charles Jackson, Richard Semrau, and Brian Carlwell.
While I agree with the sentiment that Bruce Weber COMPLETELY failed to capitalize on the 2005 championship run, i think you are looking more at results than rankings here. I don't remember what any of these kids ranked - but I do think Brian Carlwell was a high level recruit, at least, if my memory serves me correctly. Jamar Smith, maybe i have bias having seen him in high school - i don't know what his ranking was exactly - but he was a good player. I would have liked to see these two progress without making bad decisions off the court.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:05 AM   #1387
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While I agree with the sentiment that Bruce Weber COMPLETELY failed to capitalize on the 2005 championship run, i think you are looking more at results than rankings here. I don't remember what any of these kids ranked - but I do think Brian Carlwell was a high level recruit, at least, if my memory serves me correctly. Jamar Smith, maybe i have bias having seen him in high school - i don't know what his ranking was exactly - but he was a good player. I would have liked to see these two progress without making bad decisions off the court.

Yes, Brian Carlwell was top-50, and I believe he had an offer from Michigan State. Though they were also going after Tom Herzog who was their top big option.

Jamar was a 3-star kid outside of the top-100. Chester was a 3-star with offers from Binghamton, College of Charleston, and a few others. I believe Charles Jackson had offers from Auburn and UGA, but mostly because they wanted him to play football as well.

And yes, Jamar would have been a very good 4-year player for us. It's a shame what happened with him.

Nonetheless that 2005-2006 combo was an unmitigated disaster. Perhaps the single worst recruiting performance I've seen when you consider how high Illinois was as a program when those classes were recruited. 2007 rebounded slightly when you consider McCamey, Tisdale, Mike Davis, etc., but even that was a disappointment considering who we were targeting -- IDKWTI, Evan Turner, Moore, etc. Not even going to mention Rose, because that was never going to happen.

Follow that up with the 2008 0-fer (missing Shumpert, Liggins, Darius Miller, Michael Dunigan, Matt Humphrey, etc.), and that 4-year stretch should go in the dictionary under "recruiting disaster".

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:06 AM   #1388
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We didn't notice that the lights had changed......
Woke up. Fell out of bed. And started reading IL.

Agree with Finn, Ayo, THT, and a late Big. If Nolley comes knocking, we then listen. (Ryan Evan's info has been accurate the past month or two.)
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:07 AM   #1389
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Find it interesting that some are ready to jump ship on Nolley. Without knowing anything behind the scenes, I'm willing to give a 17 year old the benefit of the doubt and guess that he probably enjoyed his UGA visit and committed too quickly. Guessing VT is the likely destination, but I wouldn't rule us out. I don't think the whole staff would have made the trip last week if they didn't think they had a real solid chance.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:09 AM   #1390
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While I agree with the sentiment that Bruce Weber COMPLETELY failed to capitalize on the 2005 championship run, i think you are looking more at results than rankings here. I don't remember what any of these kids ranked - but I do think Brian Carlwell was a high level recruit, at least, if my memory serves me correctly. Jamar Smith, maybe i have bias having seen him in high school - i don't know what his ranking was exactly - but he was a good player. I would have liked to see these two progress without making bad decisions off the court.
Carlwell was a stiff at Proviso East. He was pretty highly ranked (~70, IIRC), because he was 6' 11" and had a good frame. I definitely don't fault Weber for recruiting him, but the idea that he was a "high level recruit," other than an inflated ranking, is revisionist history.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:15 AM   #1391
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For all those saying Ayo is the program changing recruit, I just want to remind you all the times we said that under Groce. DJax, Cliff, Brunson, Snider, Evans, Thomas, am I missing anyone else?

If we miss on Ayo there will still be plenty more "program changers" out there. If Groce gets just one of those guys, he might still be here.

Any class with Ayo is a success, IMO.

He would be the most talented kid on our roster from day 1, and would probably start right away. Heck, he'd probably be the most talented recruit since Richmond (at a minimum).

Program changing? Eh, I don't know. With or without him, our backcourt is in very good hands going forward. For once, we're loaded at PG/combo guard, so he doesn't really fill a position of dire need the way Jawun Evans or Brunson would have done a few years back.

However, Ayo helps us for a few additional reasons: (1) one would think he'd help us with Adam Miller and other elite recruits in future classes, (2) he immediately gives the staff that top-tier Chicago victory which we've lacked for years, and (3) he probably helps us attract a quality player or two in the 2018 class.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:17 AM   #1392
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Any class with Ayo is a success, IMO.

He would be the most talented kid on our roster from day 1, and would probably start right away. Heck, he'd probably be the most talented recruit since Richmond (at a minimum).

Program changing? Eh, I don't know. With or without him, our backcourt is in very good hands going forward. For once, we're loaded at PG/combo guard, so he doesn't really fill a position of dire need the way Jawun Evans or Brunson would have done a few years back.

However, Ayo helps us for a few additional reasons: (1) one would think he'd help us with Adam Miller and other elite recruits in future classes, (2) he immediately gives the staff that top-tier Chicago victory which we've lacked for years, and (3) he probably helps us attract a quality player or two in the 2018 class.
+1 to all your points.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:22 AM   #1393
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Bossi article includes latest on Ayo and Nolley, among others.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals....down-to-a-pair
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:27 AM   #1394
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Yes, Brian Carlwell was top-50, and I believe he had an offer from Michigan State. Though they were also going after Tom Herzog who was their top big option.

Jamar was a 3-star kid outside of the top-100. Chester was a 3-star with offers from Binghamton, College of Charleston, and a few others. I believe Charles Jackson had offers from Auburn and UGA, but mostly because they wanted him to play football as well.

And yes, Jamar would have been a very good 4-year player for us. It's a shame what happened with him.

Nonetheless that 2005-2006 combo was an unmitigated disaster. Perhaps the single worst recruiting performance I've seen when you consider how high Illinois was as a program when those classes were recruited. 2007 rebounded slightly when you consider McCamey, Tisdale, Mike Davis, etc., but even that was a disappointment considering who we were targeting -- IDKWTI, Evan Turner, Moore, etc. Not even going to mention Rose, because that was never going to happen.

Follow that up with the 2008 0-fer (missing Shumpert, Liggins, Darius Miller, Michael Dunigan, Matt Humphrey, etc.), and that 4-year stretch should go in the dictionary under "recruiting disaster".
Agree with most of this, but would add that Jamar was a steal. He was an impact freshman, shot over 48% from 3, and was on the All-BIG freshman team. His high ankle sprain and subsequent drinking ruined his career here, but he definitely showed he was a player. Definitely better than a 3 star IMHO.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:30 AM   #1395
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Find it interesting that some are ready to jump ship on Nolley. Without knowing anything behind the scenes, I'm willing to give a 17 year old the benefit of the doubt and guess that he probably enjoyed his UGA visit and committed too quickly. Guessing VT is the likely destination, but I wouldn't rule us out. I don't think the whole staff would have made the trip last week if they didn't think they had a real solid chance.
Just curious why you wouldn't rule us out? Seems like everything was pointing to VT. Is it the rumored Ayo connection?
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:36 AM   #1396
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2005 was an epic recruiting failure. Absolutely epic. When you combine with the 2006 class and consider that those classes came in the midst of our 2005 run, it's incredible to see that we winded up with 2 classes consisting of Jamar Smith, Chester Frazier, Charles Jackson, Richard Semrau, and Brian Carlwell.
I would go even further and make the argument that it was an unprecedented failure. Can you think of another instance where a team:

-was borderline wire-to-wire #1
-was pretty much the biggest story in CBB for the entire season
-tapped into a borderline insane, nationally distributed fanbase
-owned two significant media markets (Chicago and STL) for about 5 months

And come out of it with n o t h i n g to show for it in recruiting? I'm not talking about Georgia Tech making a surprising-ish run to a title game here. This was a generational opportunity served up on a platter, and not only did we not take advantage, we dropped the platter on our foot, broke everything, and gave ourselves a decade-long nagging injury.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:57 AM   #1397
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It seems that Nolley's parents prefer VT but he likes Georgia himself. Why not each side takes a step back and settles on Illinois
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 08:59 AM   #1398
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It seems that Nolley's parents prefer VT but he likes Georgia himself. Why not each side takes a step back and settles on Illinois
He should go where HE wants to go. Novel concept.
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Old Oct 9, 2017, 09:01 AM   #1399
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None of it makes sense. Are you suggesting he didn't discuss his commitment with his parents before he made it? That seems equally implausible.

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Old Oct 9, 2017, 09:02 AM   #1400
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It seems that Nolley's parents prefer VT but he likes Georgia himself. Why not each side takes a step back and settles on Illinois
If you believe the rumors about the recruitment of Caleb Swanigan, Swanigan wanted to go to Cal, his family wanted MSU and he ended up at Purdue.

Stranger things have happened.

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