Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

[ILHoff]

Originally Posted by IlliniJim20

Kinda funny on some on this board are calling this dirty and blasting Brey and Jackson.

Yet, there was serious discussion as to whether Beckman should offer DJ' s foster brother a scholarship. Some evn guested Mike Thomas should step in to failtate the del,if necessary.

I realize it did not happen, but glass houses . . . :laugh:

If you can go back and point out where I said that go right ahead.:rolleyes:

[Madturkillini]

Originally Posted by OrangeAndBlue217

aggressiveness is very easy to learn thank goodness

I am not so sure about that. I think aggresiveness is more character related, it is not a skill you can learn.

[justsomedude]

Originally Posted by MrQuist

Tisdale and Davis are two examples of guys who could not learn agression.

Davis lead the league in rebounds, I'll take another of those please.

[Chilliniwek]

Originally Posted by chucktownillini

Malcolm Hill will be starting every game he's at U of I. And if KBD comes here as a 5* recruit, it will be hard to keep him on the bench. But, this would be a delightful problem to have to deal with, now wouldn't it? Go Illini!!

I hope you're right about both! We'll see, I guess.

[Chilliniwek]

Originally Posted by IlliniJim20

Kinda funny on some on this board are calling this dirty and blasting Brey and Jackson.

Yet, there was serious discussion as to whether Beckman should offer DJ' s foster brother a scholarship. Some evn guested Mike Thomas should step in to failtate the del,if necessary.

I realize it did not happen, but glass houses . . . :laugh:

I'm not in charge of this thread or this board, but there is a DJ thread for your comments. Let's talk about people who might actually want to play for us.

[Madturkillini]

Originally Posted by justsomedude

Davis lead the league in rebounds, I'll take another of those please.

I don't find that statistic convincing. Somebody has to grab those rebounds in the team. Use Tisdale's 7'1 frame for box-outs, you will get plenty of chances for uncontested defensive rebounds. Davis and Tisdale were the main big men in the team, both playing 30-35min a game, we all know how Weber never goes to his bench (even a great talent like Myers had a hard time finding PT). Most of Davis' rebounds were easy defensive rebounds. That guy never ever was strong and aggressive (neither was Tisdale). Even after pulling a rebound, he was many times an easy pray for the opponent guards to come and knock the ball out of his hands, which led to easy buckets.

[Madturkillini]

Roger Powell for example never averaged as many rebounds as Davis did, but he was a lot better rebounder. I would pick Powell over Davis or Tisdale any day.

Sorry this is off-topic.

[illini 4 ever]

I love that our coaching staff is constantely on the road. They appear to be a hard working staff who wont slow down until we are top 10 program again. They wont be outworked and that is great for Illni nation. Keep up the hard work. Go Illini

[jackman404]

Originally Posted by justsomedude

Davis lead the league in rebounds, I'll take another of those please.

Davis was a great asset to the team, but to call him aggressive is a huge stretch. I don't think you can really teach a guy how to turn on that "attack" mode. Dee Brown had it. Chester Frazier had it. Tracy Abrams might have it. If a player doesn't have it by their sophmore year, they won't have it.

[Illini20]

Originally Posted by Madturkillini

Roger Powell for example never averaged as many rebounds as Davis did, but he was a lot better rebounder. I would pick Powell over Davis or Tisdale any day.

Sorry this is off-topic.

Ya and I'm a great 3pt shooter, but I don't make very many 3's. I understand your point, but I'll take the actual output over the potential skill on my team.

[RyanK]

Originally Posted by PGHillini11

Is it true Jaylon Tate is getting looks by UCLA?

Getting looks? Sure. Being heavily recruited? Nope.

[IlliniSpine]

Originally Posted by Illini20

Ya and I'm a great 3pt shooter, but I don't make very many 3's. I understand your point, but I'll take the actual output over the potential skill on my team.

I'm not a great shooter, but when I do, I prefer tres XXX :laugh:

[Illini70math]

I always love the idea that you can lead the B1G in rebounds by getting the "easy" rebounds. That is similar I presume to leading the B1G in points by getting the "easy" points.

One always has to wonder why other players on other teams haven't figured out how to get these "easy" rebounds. I guess it's an easy game if you just know how to get those easy points and rebounds.

[BlockI]

If Jaylon can guard in the B1G and handle the ball well enough I think he would be a good fit to learn from Tracy and back him up. Bring in a Ullis or Zabo in 14 or even better one of the elites from 15 and you have some ball handlers on the roster.

[justsomedude]

Originally Posted by Illini70math

I always love the idea that you can lead the B1G in rebounds by getting the "easy" rebounds. That is similar I presume to leading the B1G in points by getting the "easy" points.

One always has to wonder why other players on other teams haven't figured out how to get these "easy" rebounds. I guess it's an easy game if you just know how to get those easy points and rebounds.

+1. You don't lead the B1G in rebounds by being passive.

[RealWorld52]

Davis was a very good college player and our leader in our last season. That entire squad was just frustrating as a whole. Let's show some interest in Tate, of Groce likes him then sounds good to me.

[CharlesLawrence]

Originally Posted by Illini70math

I always love the idea that you can lead the B1G in rebounds by getting the "easy" rebounds. That is similar I presume to leading the B1G in points by getting the "easy" points.

One always has to wonder why other players on other teams haven't figured out how to get these "easy" rebounds. I guess it's an easy game if you just know how to get those easy points and rebounds.

Lol +1

[Dan]

Jaylon Tate:

Looking forward to my visit down to Illinois Thursday.!

http://twitter.com/JaySwaveyy11

[zeezo]

Originally Posted by IlliniJim20

Kinda funny on some on this board are calling this dirty and blasting Brey and Jackson.

Yet, there was serious discussion as to whether Beckman should offer DJ' s foster brother a scholarship. Some evn guested Mike Thomas should step in to failtate the del,if necessary.

I realize it did not happen, but glass houses . . . :laugh:

Lots of things are discussed on this board by lots of different people with lots of different opinions. That's the way it works.

[Illini70math]

Originally Posted by RealWorld52

Davis was a very good college player and our leader in our last season. That entire squad was just frustrating as a whole. Let's show some interest in Tate, of Groce likes him then sounds good to me.

I have to confess that I was a Jaylon Tate fan when we got the commitment from Jalen James instead -- and James was a solid top 100 recruit at the time. Obviously we would rather have XRM, but if Coach Groce feels that Tate can play the PG role in his system, that's good enough for me. Yes, Tate needs to develop, but my guess is that DJ Cooper would have fit in that category as well.

We need to keep in mind that unless we get someone like XRM, even very talented PG recruits will likely be playing behind guys like Abrams, Nunn, Hill, Henry, Bertrand, Rice and others. It's not like they have to carry the load from day one.

[ater2004]

Can we please stop talking about djay? Its done, over.....brey did what he had to do to get the hometown boy there, nothing dirty about it. XRM decision in 10 days!!!!!!!!!

[IlliniSpine]

Originally Posted by Illini70math

I have to confess that I was a Jaylon Tate fan when we got the commitment from Jalen James instead -- and James was a solid top 100 recruit at the time. Obviously we would rather have XRM, but if Coach Groce feels that Tate can play the PG role in his system, that's good enough for me. Yes, Tate needs to develop, but my guess is that DJ Cooper would have fit in that category as well.

We need to keep in mind that unless we get someone like XRM, even very talented PG recruits will likely be playing behind guys like Abrams, Nunn, Hill, Henry, Bertrand, Rice and others. It's not like they have to carry the load from day one.

Isn't that the "point" (forgive the pun) that we need one from day 1? Not just more ballhandlers but a true PG that could play immediately?

[IlliniSpine]

Originally Posted by ater2004

Can we please stop talking about djay? Its done, over.....brey did what he had to do to get the hometown boy there, nothing dirty about it. XRM decision in 10 days!!!!!!!!!

Is this XRM decision going to be called Nutpunch, the sequel?

As I've said before I don't have any sources in this matter but until we win, we aren't going to get an XRM or DJ to play point...we most likely will get a "Groce style" PG (usually an "under-the-radar" 2-3 * player who can dish, drive and score but not an elite level athlete/player).

I think we'll end up with Tate and Ben Moore. Too much pressure to build on this Chicago "pipeline" for better or worse. (Perhaps it was a "package deal plan B in order to keep Kendrick from decommitting?)

Prepare to brace yourselves come Oct. 13th! I know I'm not holding my breath. I'll be wearing my cup!

[IlliniJim20]

Originally Posted by FoulonIllini36

I know what your saying. I expected more last year from him and was underwhelmed. However, he will be the starting PG and won't have to share with Neely so perhaps we'll get to see more. I think he is a plus passer, but not much of a threat offensively. I actually thought he played better while at DeLaSalle with Shaw. Perhaps it was just getting used to Smith's system.

I agree with the previous poster though in terms of, if everything else is equal, taking the CPL kid. Weber got a lot of heat in Chicago early on when he took Frazier while there were other Chicago kids that CPL coaches felt were more deserving or at least equal to Chester. If we just need a backup PG for 8-10 minutes a game who can handle it and pass, then I think Tate is a good option.

Can anyone give me some insight into what is gonig on with Paul White of Whitney Young? He seems to have completely dropped off and was wondering if it's motor issues or his game just hasn't progressed. All the Whitney Young kids seem to have fallen off with the exception of Okafor. i know Slaughter is an A-Hole and a horrible coach, but jeesh.

Just curious as to why you mention Slaughter as an a-hole? Not doubting, just wondering. Thx

[BlockI]

Ya the XRM chatter is crickets right now! The vibe doesn't feel the same as a few weeks ago. My guess is we get 2 of J Tate, D Smith, J Brown, B Moore, A Colbert, S Brown.