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Old Oct 13, 2017, 06:55 AM   #76
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If UNC can get away with this, why canít Illinois give Chevy Blazers to every basketball player so long as it also gives Chevy Blazers to 15 other randomly selected students.
Because GM stopped producing Blazers? But, yes, spot on! Major credibility tipping point for the NCAA here (and I think they are cognizant of it). Very little will surprise me. Am not expecting to be surprised.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 07:50 AM   #77
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If UNC can get away with this, why canít Illinois give Chevy Blazers to every basketball player so long as it also gives Chevy Blazers to 15 other randomly selected students.
Such is NCAA logic....
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:11 AM   #78
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Infractions panel could not conclude academic violations in North Carolina case
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/...-carolina-case

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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:15 AM   #79
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Seriously screw the NCAA. What an absolute joke.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:17 AM   #80
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This is why the FBI went over the NCAA's head. Case and point.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:18 AM   #81
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anyone surprised by this?
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:18 AM   #82
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So, who did NC have the embarrassing pics of? Another blue blood cheats and gets away with it. Not sure which -less work fits best, toothless, spineless... They should just admit that they condone cheating for the big money teams,
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:19 AM   #83
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I'm shocked, shocked by this conclusion. What an effin' joke.

#shockednotshocked
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:20 AM   #84
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So basically every school should be offering "paper classes" now.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:22 AM   #85
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This is why the FBI went over the NCAA's head. Case and point.
Yes, indeed. Nothing to see here folks, please move along

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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:22 AM   #86
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:24 AM   #87
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Fantastic reference!
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:31 AM   #88
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Wow.....as others have said, not surprised. Really the NCAA is such a joke. Major changes need to occur but they won't as long as the cash cow is still there. Brutal.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 08:37 AM   #89
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The panel noted that its ability to determine whether academic fraud occurred at UNC was limited by the NCAA principle relying on individual member schools to determine whether academic fraud occurred on their own campuses.
Well, there's your problem right there. As long as UNC denies academic fraud occurred, apparently the NCAA is limited in their ability to find otherwise. In other words, the NCAA investigation was toothless from the very start.

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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:05 AM   #90
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Most folks on here probably don't remember our academic "scandal." The case of Dave Wilson dominated the news in 1980 with the NCAA ultimately handing us a bowl ban for what amounted to a player seeking a redshirt year for an injury. The case also triggered the ensuing problems with the NCAA over the next decade.

Here's a summary from the Tribune archives:

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Athletic Director Neale Stoner and football coach Mike White, both Californians, arrived in Champaign in late 1979 determined to quickly turn around a football program short of victories and cash in the coffers.

White`s first signee before the 1980 season, quarterback Dave Wilson, had suffered a broken wrist on his first play at Fullerton (Calif.) Junior College. He dropped out of school without attending class, then petitioned for two years of junior-college eligiblity, which was granted. When he enrolled at Illinois, the Big 10 faculty representatives ruled that because he had spent three seasons in junior-college ball, Wilson had but one season of eligibility at Illinois. Although he did not have enough academic credit hours, for purposes of competition he should be classified a senior; this meant he would not be eligible until 1981.

That sent Wilson to court, petitioning for eligibility in 1980.

Wilson played in 1980, but his court maneuvers continued until July 1981 when he lost his final appeal for another season of eligibility. Wilson signed a $1.6 million contract with the New Orleans Saints and the Big 10, which had threatened heavy sanctions against Illinois` entire men`s program for as much as three years, softened that stance so that it only slapped the wrist of the football program, barring the Illini from any postseason appearance for one season.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:20 AM   #91
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Nothing to see here, but a gutless organization devoid of principles. Actually that's not true --it's principle is to make money for itself and the universities.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:42 AM   #92
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Summary: "We had plenty to take them down, but ultimately decided not to. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a swimming lesson in my pool of money." - NCAA

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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:49 AM   #93
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UNC paid more than $18 million in legal fees in their academic scandal case.

It was worth it.

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Tough week for NCAA: Put together a out-of-touch 14-member Commission to solve college hoops’ issues, and now this UNC 3-plus year mishap.

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… and now back to your regularly scheduled program, known as the College Basketball Scandal directed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:53 AM   #94
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Well I am shocked. UNC, Kentucky, Duke, Kansas should feel very comfortable that no matter how blatant they are about lying and cheating, there is nothing, NOTHING that will ever happen to them.

But thank God, the NCAA took care of the Chief problem. $#*/ them.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 09:54 AM   #95
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 10:01 AM   #96
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NCAA football & hoops should just be assumed to be like the Tour de France from this point forward (& probably for a while in the past). I'll just assume no champion is legitimate.

Seems this is going to be a big hit to the sport couple with the FBI findings. If the sport isn't seen as legit, might as well just not bother. The chosen class (UNC, Duke, UK, KU & a few others) have basically been given carte blanche to do whatever the hell they see fit with no consequences. I basically have zero interest in watching it other than keeping track of the Illini. Could care less once it gets to a final four with those power teams in it. I think a lot of fans will take a pass going forward.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 10:31 AM   #97
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Darren Rovell‏Verified account@darrenrovell
UNC paid more than $18 million in legal fees in their academic scandal case.

It was worth it.

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Tough week for NCAA: Put together a out-of-touch 14-member Commission to solve college hoopsí issues, and now this UNC 3-plus year mishap.

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 6m6 minutes ago
Ö and now back to your regularly scheduled program, known as the College Basketball Scandal directed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Interesting that nobody in the media has called out the NCAA for putting the SEC Commissioner - Greg Sankey - in charge of the Division I Committee on Infractions. Classic case of putting the fox in the henhouse. There's just no credibility left at the NCAA.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 10:53 AM   #98
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Disgusting! Needless to say, the NCAA has zero credibility.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 11:17 AM   #99
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This is why the FBI went over the NCAA's head. Case and point.
The NCAA hires former SA's from the FBI to conduct its investigations, as does the NFL and others. Getting hired is part of the old boy network and those hired know someone and have an "in" for retirement job while collecting their pension. Hence, you get retirees who are not in their prime and may or may not aggressively push the investigation.
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Old Oct 13, 2017, 01:27 PM   #100
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This is making me reconsider my stance on the P5(6) schools pulling out of the NCAA tournament and having their own. They would have to put together their own sanctioning body, but would they have more teeth? Meh, probably never happen.... Or was that a football only thing? I can't remember...
A lot of the excitement of the NCAA tournament is the Cinderella teams from mid-majors. In football, the CFP makes sense because no one cares about the little guys, the season is already too long, and it allows the P5 to hog the money. In bball, I think you would lose a noticeable portion of audience, as well as some of the buzz if you eliminated 200+ schools from consideration.

And no, I can't see an organization having teeth with this much money involved. A school cheats, so what? Fans keep saying yes to the product, and that's what matters.
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