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Old Oct 24, 2017, 04:34 PM   #1401
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How is Evans even an issue for the NCAA, since the scheme involved what happened to players AFTER they left school? It's peripheral at best. Lack of institutional control is ridiculous for what Evans did.
Meetings, greetings and intros to agents occurred while players were still NCAA athletes.

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Old Oct 25, 2017, 08:40 PM   #1402
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No news for awhile.

I don't think that anyone thinks this is over but are there any guesses on when we will get some more news?
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 10:21 AM   #1403
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Meetings, greetings and intros to agents occurred while players were still NCAA athletes.
No doubt, but it involved the players' pro careers, not his NCAA career. No one was trying, in the Evans scheme, to get players to a school, pay them to attend a school etc. So yeah, stuff took place while they were in school, but the scheme involved what happened when they left school. I really don't think this is an NCAA issue.
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 11:32 AM   #1404
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No doubt, but it involved the players' pro careers, not his NCAA career. No one was trying, in the Evans scheme, to get players to a school, pay them to attend a school etc. So yeah, stuff took place while they were in school, but the scheme involved what happened when they left school. I really don't think this is an NCAA issue.
Of course they were trying to get players to specific schools. Agents formed relationships with schools and were feeding players to schools and coaches in order to keep them secure so coaches can feed them back to them. That was not about the pocket money, the biggest benefit to coaches and schools was that they were getting those talented players on their team, a huge benefit to their career and reputation.
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 12:49 PM   #1405
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Of course they were trying to get players to specific schools. Agents formed relationships with schools and were feeding players to schools and coaches in order to keep them secure so coaches can feed them back to them. That was not about the pocket money, the biggest benefit to coaches and schools was that they were getting those talented players on their team, a huge benefit to their career and reputation.
I have yet to see anything that said the agents were helping schools get players. I think you are wrong about this. Now on the other part of this investigation, shoe companies were definitely paying players to go to certain schools, like Louisville and Miami. I think you are confusing and/or combining the two types of schemes.
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 01:16 PM   #1406
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I have yet to see anything that said the agents were helping schools get players. I think you are wrong about this. Now on the other part of this investigation, shoe companies were definitely paying players to go to certain schools, like Louisville and Miami. I think you are confusing and/or combining the two types of schemes.
I think you are being naive, or actually to phrase better, people are now trying to be naive depending on whether it serves their interest/school and fandom.

Don't confuse what has been in the indictment or what could be eventually proven with what has actually been happening for many years, not really the best kept secret either. The only surprise is that the FBI got involved, nothing else. This is not about just Louisville and Miami. The agents were funneling recruits to specific places.
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 02:55 PM   #1407
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I think you are being naive, or actually to phrase better, people are now trying to be naive depending on whether it serves their interest/school and fandom.

Don't confuse what has been in the indictment or what could be eventually proven with what has actually been happening for many years, not really the best kept secret either. The only surprise is that the FBI got involved, nothing else. This is not about just Louisville and Miami. The agents were funneling recruits to specific places.
OK, so who did these agents funnel to OK State in the one year Coach U & Evans were at OK. State? You aren't trying to tell me agents are funneling 2* and 3* players are you? Pretty sure OK State didn't have a 4* or 5* player during that recruiting cycle. So no, I don't believe I'm being naive.

There was nothing in the indictment against Evans about agents getting players to schools. Also, if the agent can get the player to go to a school he choses, why does he need the assistant coach?
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Old Oct 30, 2017, 03:30 PM   #1408
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You are moving the goalposts now. First you made a blanket statement about agents not paying to have players funneled to certain schools. Which seems to be common knowledge. And now you want specifics as it relates to our coach? Even if there was someone who had such info, do you really think they'd post it here for your reading pleasure??? And yes, you are being naive.
Shoe and apparel companies paid to put players in schools. I've seen nothing that says the agents that were indicted did that and I read the whole Complaint from the US Attorney. The Complaint says that the agents used the assistant coaches influence to get close to the family and to get the player to trust him. If the agent already steered him to a school, he'd have an in with the player and his family. That conduct isn't even mentioned once in passing in the Complaint. I'm not sure where you're getting this common knowledge stuff from. You think I'm naive...fair enough, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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Old Oct 30, 2017, 03:41 PM   #1409
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I don't know whether money even exchanged hands, but Lamont was certainly trying to secure separate payments for recruiting purposes. Read paragraphs 55 and 56 of the document. Is this enough for the NCAA? Who knows. But there could be more evidence that hasn't been brought to the table yet that involves recruiting HS players.

From 55: "... confirm the details of the bribe payments that he would receive from SOOD and CW-1, including money EVANS wanted for himself, and money EVANS intended to use to recruit athletes to University-3's men's basketball team..."

From 56: "... In addition, EVANS asked CW-1 if CW-1 would be able to make occasional separate payments to EVANS that EVANS would provide to high school prospects that he wished to recruit to University-3, clarifying, however, that any money that CW-1 provided to EVANS to assist him with recruiting players would be "totally separate" from the $2,000 monthly payments that they had previously discussed."
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 10:11 AM   #1410
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Thank you for doing that research. I thought for sure Ptown was mistaken but I didn't feel like doing the legwork.
I could be wrong, but my understanding is that Evans asked for money to get recruits, but it didn't happen. I'll also note that the Complaint alleges that Evans defrauded his employer. So if he defrauded his employer, and Coach U is who hired him and was his boss, then by extension he defrauded Coach U as well.

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Old Oct 31, 2017, 11:41 AM   #1411
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I really don't think the FBI is interested in chasing HC's all that much. The Pitino thing seems to be collateral damage, and there may be more of them brought to bear if the evidence is impossible to ignore by the particular school. Of course the FBI used the assistants because that was their way into the Money/Agents/Shoe Co/etc... mess.
I am not sure whether that is necessarily true. The FBI does not care about cleaning up the game of basketball and just going after Money/Agents/Shoe Co and not coaches. They were asked about it in the press conference and they answered directly that it is not part of their goals (the good/future of the game), their focus is the crime and all those involved. So if they uncover involvement of coaches (including HC's) they will go after them, but have no interest in the cheating, ethics, unfair competition, or breaking NCAA rules.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 12:38 PM   #1412
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I really don't think the FBI is interested in chasing HC's all that much. The Pitino thing seems to be collateral damage, and there may be more of them brought to bear if the evidence is impossible to ignore by the particular school. Of course the FBI used the assistants because that was their way into the Money/Agents/Shoe Co/etc... mess.

I see this working the same way the Feds go about busting up the Mob. Pick the lower level guys up and charge them with serious crimes, offer immunity/pleas in exchange for dirt on the higher ups to help get convictions. Higher ups in the NCAA basketball world would be the shoe companies, agents, and money guys. Everyone else is to be used as leverage.

I think this will play out over a couple years. I don't expect to hear Underwoods name come up in any legal investigation by the FBI. Who knows what the NCAA will do with this mess, and when?
That seems like a fair post.
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Old Oct 31, 2017, 01:41 PM   #1413
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I am not sure whether that is necessarily true. The FBI does not care about cleaning up the game of basketball and just going after Money/Agents/Shoe Co and not coaches. They were asked about it in the press conference and they answered directly that it is not part of their goals (the good/future of the game), their focus is the crime and all those involved. So if they uncover involvement of coaches (including HC's) they will go after them, but have no interest in the cheating, ethics, unfair competition, or breaking NCAA rules.
Agreed. The FBI (and, by reference, the DOJ) cares about getting the best chance for as many convictions as possible (or at least settlements with meaningful outcomes). Thus they'll likely pursue whoever they have evidence on and let the investigation lead them where it may. If that includes head coaches, so be it. I do agree that, given the nature of the allegations, HC's are less likely to be implicated, but that's not because the FBI doesn't care to pursue them.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 02:12 AM   #1414
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Just read that the FBI has finished their investigation of Bowen and he's ok with them. Doesn't clear him for NCAA play, but a step in that direction.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...V4h?li=BBnba9I

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Old Nov 3, 2017, 04:46 AM   #1415
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Just read that the FBI has finished their investigation of Bowen and he's ok with them. Doesn't clear him for NCAA play, but a step in that direction.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...V4h?li=BBnba9I
so he claims to have no idea that his dad got paid 100k.....?
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 09:09 AM   #1416
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 09:17 AM   #1417
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so he claims to have no idea that his dad got paid 100k.....?

I could be wrong, but wasn't that the Cam Newton defense?
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 09:19 AM   #1418
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That took a lot of research. Wow, I think there are a few thousand on this blog that could do a better article than that one.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 09:59 AM   #1419
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if just being head coach where Evans was working put BU on the non-traditional hot seat, shouldn't Frank Martin be there too since it started when Evans was at SC? quality epsn reporting right there.

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Old Nov 3, 2017, 10:09 AM   #1420
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if just being head coach where Evans was working put BU on the non-traditional hot seat, shouldn't Frank Martin be there too since it started when Evans was at SC? quality epsn reporting right there.


Definitely an easy click article. And definitely has no substance or incriminating facts. Just hate that BU is mentioned in that category.


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Old Nov 3, 2017, 11:41 AM   #1421
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Just read that the FBI has finished their investigation of Bowen and he's ok with them. Doesn't clear him for NCAA play, but a step in that direction.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...V4h?li=BBnba9I


Not exactly a step in the right direction to clean up the sport.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 11:48 AM   #1422
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ESPN sucks. There I said it.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 12:43 PM   #1423
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I could be wrong, but wasn't that the Cam Newton defense?
You are correct...crazy that this defense worked. The NCAA is so lame.
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 02:14 PM   #1424
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Auburn is holding out two starters due to involvement with the FBI probe.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...investigation/
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Old Nov 3, 2017, 02:35 PM   #1425
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Auburn is holding out two starters due to involvement with the FBI probe.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...investigation/


Well, I wonder what could be their response? "I didn't know my parents got paid!"
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