Mexican Drug War

[ilphotog]

Couldn't find the old thread, but fighting picking up again since the killing by soldiers of the Boss of Bosses. Sad story a soldier killed in the raid, after his funeral, several members of his family are murdered.
http://news.aol.com/article/slaying-.../654518?cid=12

[Illini1956]

The Mexican military raided and killed a top drug lord. The governement tried making one of the soldiers that was killed in the raid a hero. The drug gangs targeted the deceased soldier family. I am looking for the link in the Wal Street Journal.

[DaytonIllini]

Legalize drugs immediately and this problem completely and forever goes away.

A law that nobody obeys is not a law, it a joke. Criminalizing behavior leads to a massive black market with cartels as powerful as the nations in which they operate.

It would go a long way toward improving our fiscal situation and destroying the cartels finances at the same time. It won't happen because small minded men that were indoctrinated in the message of how harmful drugs are won't open their minds enough to see how harmful the criminalization of drugs is.

[Illini1956]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126143123803700665.html

Since first sending troops to Ciudad Juárez in March 2008, Mr. Calderon has only made two fleeting visits to the city. He hasn't engaged residents on the violence consuming the city. "He stays for two hours and he's gone," says Daniel Murgía, president of the local Chamber of Commerce. "They've left Ciudad Juárez totally alone. There is a total absence of authority."

Mr. Murgía and other business leaders last month called for the United Nations to send peacekeepers to tame the city's violence. Mr. Murgía went further and breached a Mexican taboo when he asked that the U.S. send military police to help



While it is appealing to say let them use the drugs they only harm themselves, it is not true. The hard workibg, productive members of society will be stuck supporting their unproductive lives. We will see even more auto accidents when people think it is okay to dope and drive or use herion and drive. The opium dens of the late 1880's were one of the leading causes of making drugs illegal.

[DaytonIllini]

Originally Posted by Illini1956

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126143123803700665.html

Since first sending troops to Ciudad Juárez in March 2008, Mr. Calderon has only made two fleeting visits to the city. He hasn't engaged residents on the violence consuming the city. "He stays for two hours and he's gone," says Daniel Murgía, president of the local Chamber of Commerce. "They've left Ciudad Juárez totally alone. There is a total absence of authority."

Mr. Murgía and other business leaders last month called for the United Nations to send peacekeepers to tame the city's violence. Mr. Murgía went further and breached a Mexican taboo when he asked that the U.S. send military police to help



While it is appealing to say let them use the drugs they only harm themselves, it is not true. The hard workibg, productive members of society will be stuck supporting their unproductive lives. We will see even more auto accidents when people think it is okay to dope and drive or use herion and drive. The opium dens of the late 1880's were one of the leading causes of making drugs illegal.

But what have we gotten for our tragic War on Drugs? Did the 1880's have drug lords murdering governors of states in South America, policemen in Mexico? How long before those evils reach our shores? And for what? What noble cause are we furthering? How many of our children have been incarcerated for having some ridiculous and harmless amount of marijuana? How many senseless murders? How many policemen are tasked with interdiction and drug details? How many are killed annually in this futile and pointless exercise? Do you really believe that the drug war actually keeps people from using drugs? Do you think that drugs are any better than Scotch or Gin or tobacco?

Of course there will always be deaths from drugs and they will continue when drugs are legalized (and they will be - it is inevitable as the costs of this prohibition become too staggering to continue). What there will not be is deaths associated with the production, processing, distribution and sale of narcotics. Gangs will lose their source of income and much of their reason to exist. The world will be a better place. Not perfect, just better.

[ilphotog]

24 more killed this week including several HS and College students.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-city/19339295

[4ever]

Originally Posted by ilphotog

24 more killed this week including several HS and College students.
http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article...-city/19339295

Ah...thin the herd. No big deal. Mexico is wonderful. A place of complete peace and serenity. Heck, an Illegal Allien shot and murdered a female police officer on Jan 5, 2010. He had been deported before and came back. Other than the violent crime, rapes, murders, beatings, gang wars, drug wars, poverty and a country devoted to immorality and lawlessness, Mexico is a great place to visit.

[illinirazorback]

I've got a link to some gruesome post-shootout pics. It's a car full of Mexicans that was ambushed and a bunch of dead guys. The driver has part of his head blown open and his brains are hanging out. I thought it was cool, but I'm afraid to even link it on here. But I will if you think there would be no objections...

[4ever]

Originally Posted by illinirazorback

I've got a link to some gruesome post-shootout pics. It's a car full of Mexicans that was ambushed and a bunch of dead guys. The driver has part of his head blown open and his brains are hanging out. I thought it was cool, but I'm afraid to even link it on here. But I will if you think there would be no objections...

you can PM it to me. I'm used to blood and guts. Saw some just the other day. Hate it though when it's a kid.

[bmb777]

Originally Posted by 4ever

you can PM it to me. I'm used to blood and guts. Saw some just the other day. Hate it though when it's a kid.

yes it sucks when it involves children. you never forget the children you have seen hurt or killed.

I can honestly say I do not remember every time I have seen adults be hurt or killed, be it trauma(gun shot, stabbed ect.) or traffic accidents, but I do remember every child I have seen.

[ilphotog]

And the beat goes on! 10 students gunned down.
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article...exico/19420592

[4ever]

Illegal Immigration and Violence out of control on the Mexican border. Hum, right again. I'm 2-0 on Obama and Illegal Immigration.

Calling in the National Guard?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...tancredo-says/

[ilphotog]

7 Mexican Police Officers killed in ambush.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...ciudad-juarez/

[ilphotog]

Security official's convoy attacked 4 dead 10 wounded.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...ambushed-dead/

[Illini1956]

We need states like Arizona to adopt a resolution demanding the US governement actually enforce the current laws. We do not need reform changes until we have current law enforcement. We need to call in the national guard and empower the local police to take control of our borders now.

[Kasino81]

it is about time to drop a bomb on Juarez. Where is Paul Tibbets when you need him?

[4ever]

I just love Mexico. It's the gift that keeps on giving. A place so sweet and majestic.

[KBLEE]

My company does a ton of business in the Monterrey area. I've been down there a couple of times. I found out last week that 6 people were kidnapped from the hotel where we normally stay (Holiday Inn). Crazy...

Investigators said the gunmen entered the Holiday Inn with a man who was handcuffed and who told them to go to the fifth floor of the 17-story hotel. Once there, they barged into many rooms. They took one guest’s laptop computer. Other guests reported that the gunmen looked inside and left.

In Room 501, the gunmen took Luis Miguel González, a businessman from Mexico City. In Room 502, they abducted Ángel Ernesto Montes de Oca Sánchez, also from Mexico City. Down the hall, they removed Manuel Juárez, also from Mexico City, from Room 511. Nearby, in Room 512, Araceli Hernández, from Reynosa, who registered as a businesswoman, was also taken.

David Salas, the hotel’s receptionist, was also taken, along with computer equipment that contained the hotel’s guest registry and security tapes, the authorities said. Later, armed men also took the receptionist from a hotel across the street. Initial reports that an American was among the abductees were inaccurate, American officials said.

The affiliation of the gunmen was unknown, although some officials and experts on Mexico’s drug gangs suggested that initial evidence pointed to the Zetas, a paramilitary group that engages in drug trafficking and other illegal activities and has been linked to violence in Monterrey. Before storming the hotels, the attackers stole trucks and other vehicles and used them to block access to the area, the authorities said.

[BasketOfKittens]

Originally Posted by 4ever

I just love Mexico. It's the gift that keeps on giving. A place so sweet and majestic.

Oh it keeps on giving, allright. To the tune of 1.5mm illegals per year along with an estimated 500K anchor babies. Welfare es muy bueno.....

Speaking of welfare, where has eddie been?

[Illini1956]

The Holiday Inn by the Monterrey airport?

I nearly stayed there a few times, but made it to the Hampton Inn.

A lot of machine guns and soldiers at that airtport.

[KBLEE]

Originally Posted by Illini1956

The Holiday Inn by the Monterrey airport?

I nearly stayed there a few times, but made it to the Hampton Inn.

A lot of machine guns and soldiers at that airtport.

No - not the one by the airport. This one is on the west side of the city (airport is on east side) going toward Santa Catarina.

[ilphotog]

My butt will not be crossing the border anytime soon! Has the government lost control? These groups seem pretty well put together, lots of high tech gagets and weapons, I wonder if they are being trained and funded by a bigger organization.

[ilphotog]

Good read, scroll down to the end of the article more info.
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/i...ing/index.html

[BasketOfKittens]

Originally Posted by ilphotog

Has the government lost control?

Surely you jest. We were all conned into believing that Mexico had a legitimate government in order to pass NAFTA 17 years ago. This is a glorified junta that has as many members in these gangs as those fighting them.

[ilphotog]

7 more found killed. 22,700 have been killed since 2006.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...r-mexico_N.htm