Penn State NCAA sanctions: Four year bowl ban, vacated wins (1998-2011), $60M fine, significant scholarship reductions

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 06:15 AM

NCAA president Mark Emmert will announce Penn State's sanctions today in Indy, 8:00am CT.

Watch live on BTN, ESPN, ESPN3.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:07 AM

RT @schadjoe Four year postseason ban for Penn Stated $60 million fine

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:08 AM

RT @schadjoe PSU loses 20 total scholarships each year for four year period

RT @BryanDFischer Penn State must reduce 10 initial scholarships and 20 total scholarships each year for four years.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:10 AM

RT @McMurphyCBS Penn State players may transfer immediately to another school without penalty

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:12 AM

RT @John_Infante: 65 scholarships a year. Penn State is basically an FCS program for four years.

RT @BFeldmanCBS Penn state hit w a 4-yr postseason bowl ban... $60 million fine... Vacate all wins since '98. Players can transfer immediately

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:13 AM

RT @ESPN_BigTen Any entering or current PSU players can transfer without sitting out a year.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:14 AM

RT @McMurphyCBS Penn State vacates all wins from 1998-2011. Bobby Bowden just passed Joe Pa

AHSIllini32 · Jul 23, 2012, 07:14 AM

ouch...

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:16 AM

RT @ESPNAndyKatz Key statement in release said Penn State accepted Freeh Report, which it commissioned, meaning traditional NCAA investigation unnecessary.

RT @schadjoe Emmert cites desire to stop mentality of "winning at a costs"

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:17 AM

RT @slmandel Penn St must "appoint an independent, NCAA-selected Athletics Integrity Monitor, who will oversee compliance with the agreement. "

RT @CharlesRobinson The 4 year bowl ban and 4 year scholarship cap basically guarantees Penn State will get zero top echelon recruits for the next four years.

RT @schadjoe Emmert says no price can repair damage of Sandusky but that inaction will not be tolerated in NCAA athletics

KBLEE · Jul 23, 2012, 07:18 AM

I'm listening to Emmert now and am confused about the scholarship reduction. What he read was that they would be reduced from 25 to 15. That is a reduction of 10. How are they reporting 20? And what is initial vs total (as reported by Fischer).

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:18 AM

RT @McMurphyCBS NCAA vacated 20 percent of Joe Paterno's wins (112 of his 548 victories)

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:20 AM

RT @ClayTravisBGID Penn State has signed a consent decree to penalties. That means the university will not appeal, worked in concert with NCAA.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:21 AM

RT @John_Infante: To clear up: Penn State can bring in 15 new scholarship recruits/year & have 65 total on scholarship for 4 years

PaytonHighstep · Jul 23, 2012, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBLEE

I'm listening to Emmert now and am confused about the scholarship reduction. What he read was that they would be reduced from 25 to 15. That is a reduction of 10. How are they reporting 20? And what is initial vs total (as reported by Fischer).

Agreed. I was jotting down notes and wrote 25 to 15 for four years... not sure where the 20 being reported is coming from.

It is still a major loss of scholarships.... and crippling of a program.

AHSIllini32 · Jul 23, 2012, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KBLEE

I'm listening to Emmert now and am confused about the scholarship reduction. What he read was that they would be reduced from 25 to 15. That is a reduction of 10. How are they reporting 20? And what is initial vs total (as reported by Fischer).

I was confused at first too but I think I understand it now.

Basically, per year they can only bring in 15 new players but the total number of players on scholly can never exceed 65 whereas usually it's 85. So say they are at 65 and have 12 graduating SR's. Even though 15 is the max they can bring in, for that year they can only bring in 12 as they aren't allowed to go over 65. I hope that's right.

IlliniRunIn07 · Jul 23, 2012, 07:23 AM

I guess Dimke can feel a little better about that missed FG last year, considering it didn't cause the opponent to win!

I honestly don't know if this is too harsh or not harsh enough of a penalty. I mean, a 4 year bowl ban, and that many lost scholarships is a HUGE blow to any program. Will PSU be able to recover from it? Quite possibly not. But considering what happened, I don't know if any punishment short of complete termination of the PSU football program could be considered justice.

I will say this though, I don't think the NCAA went soft on PSU, as they shouldn't have.

quhawks12 · Jul 23, 2012, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaytonHighstep

Agreed. I was jotting down notes and wrote 25 to 15 for four years... not sure where the 20 being reported is coming from.

It is still a major loss of scholarships.... and crippling of a program.

They can bring in 15 per class. And a total of 65 on the team which is 20 less than the D1 allotted 85.

PaytonHighstep · Jul 23, 2012, 07:23 AM

AHS... that makes sense to me, even more crippling than what I was thinking.

Thacher_H_Guild · Jul 23, 2012, 07:27 AM

These are serious sanctions, but the talk yesterday about them being worse than the death penalty was clearly nonsense.

And the severity will depend somewhat on what the current players do. If they lose all their current players and commits, then it becomes HUGE (and kind of a defacto death penalty). If most of those guys circle the wagons and stick with the program, it becomes serious but something they can recover from.

FeelYourPaign · Jul 23, 2012, 07:29 AM

I'm thinking about what it would take to rebuild the football program 4 years from now and it is a huge hurdle to clear. The students who would be recruited then, juniors and seniors in high school, are in the 7th and 8th grades right now. Their awareness of PSU will drop steadily over the next four years.

Further, the tradition of PSU will not be reconnected with easily. To bring in a Paterno "disciple" would not be well received and is likely not possible. So, basically a new guy has to restart the engine. It will be at least a decade, imo.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:29 AM

RT @ClayTravisBGID Eddie Robinson reclaims all-time wins list, Bobby Bowden is now all-time Division 1 wins leader.

RT @ESPN_BigTen Emmert: "It’s important to separate this from a traditional enforcement case."

RT @Mengus22 So it begins. RT @GregPickel: Ohio cornerback Ross Douglas has decommitted from #PennState, per Bill Greene.

MikeThomas4Prez · Jul 23, 2012, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thacher_H_Guild

These are serious sanctions, but the talk yesterday about them being worse than the death penalty was clearly nonsense.

I disagree in a sense. No bowls or B1G title games for 4 years and a reduction of 20 scholarships a year will hurt them extremely. As John Infante said, it basically makes them an FCS program for four years. No one is going to want to go there. Decommitments from this year are all ready going on. Theyve lost two, and that QB will not be there much longer.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:32 AM

RT @John_Infante: NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.

Dan · Jul 23, 2012, 07:35 AM

RT @Mengus22 That release from the NCAA says Penn State has to release the incoming freshmen from their LOIs, too.

Jul 23, 2012, 06:15 AM	#1
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	NCAA president Mark Emmert will announce Penn State's sanctions today in Indy, 8:00am CT. Watch live on BTN, ESPN, ESPN3.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:07 AM	#2
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @schadjoe Four year postseason ban for Penn Stated $60 million fine

Jul 23, 2012, 07:08 AM	#3
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @schadjoe PSU loses 20 total scholarships each year for four year period RT @BryanDFischer Penn State must reduce 10 initial scholarships and 20 total scholarships each year for four years.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:10 AM	#4
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @McMurphyCBS Penn State players may transfer immediately to another school without penalty

Jul 23, 2012, 07:12 AM	#5
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @John_Infante: 65 scholarships a year. Penn State is basically an FCS program for four years. RT @BFeldmanCBS Penn state hit w a 4-yr postseason bowl ban... $60 million fine... Vacate all wins since '98. Players can transfer immediately

Jul 23, 2012, 07:13 AM	#6
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @ESPN_BigTen Any entering or current PSU players can transfer without sitting out a year.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:14 AM	#7
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @McMurphyCBS Penn State vacates all wins from 1998-2011. Bobby Bowden just passed Joe Pa

Jul 23, 2012, 07:16 AM	#9
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @ESPNAndyKatz Key statement in release said Penn State accepted Freeh Report, which it commissioned, meaning traditional NCAA investigation unnecessary. RT @schadjoe Emmert cites desire to stop mentality of "winning at a costs"

Jul 23, 2012, 07:17 AM	#10
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @slmandel Penn St must "appoint an independent, NCAA-selected Athletics Integrity Monitor, who will oversee compliance with the agreement. " RT @CharlesRobinson The 4 year bowl ban and 4 year scholarship cap basically guarantees Penn State will get zero top echelon recruits for the next four years. RT @schadjoe Emmert says no price can repair damage of Sandusky but that inaction will not be tolerated in NCAA athletics

Jul 23, 2012, 07:18 AM	#11
KBLEE Location: Montgomery, IL Posts: 6,292	I'm listening to Emmert now and am confused about the scholarship reduction. What he read was that they would be reduced from 25 to 15. That is a reduction of 10. How are they reporting 20? And what is initial vs total (as reported by Fischer).

Jul 23, 2012, 07:20 AM	#13
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @ClayTravisBGID Penn State has signed a consent decree to penalties. That means the university will not appeal, worked in concert with NCAA.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:21 AM	#14
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @John_Infante: To clear up: Penn State can bring in 15 new scholarship recruits/year & have 65 total on scholarship for 4 years

Jul 23, 2012, 07:23 AM	#17
IlliniRunIn07 Location: Central Florida Posts: 3,805	I guess Dimke can feel a little better about that missed FG last year, considering it didn't cause the opponent to win! I honestly don't know if this is too harsh or not harsh enough of a penalty. I mean, a 4 year bowl ban, and that many lost scholarships is a HUGE blow to any program. Will PSU be able to recover from it? Quite possibly not. But considering what happened, I don't know if any punishment short of complete termination of the PSU football program could be considered justice. I will say this though, I don't think the NCAA went soft on PSU, as they shouldn't have.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:23 AM	#19
PaytonHighstep Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 274	AHS... that makes sense to me, even more crippling than what I was thinking.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:27 AM	#20
Thacher_H_Guild Location: Champaign Posts: 2,278	These are serious sanctions, but the talk yesterday about them being worse than the death penalty was clearly nonsense. And the severity will depend somewhat on what the current players do. If they lose all their current players and commits, then it becomes HUGE (and kind of a defacto death penalty). If most of those guys circle the wagons and stick with the program, it becomes serious but something they can recover from.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:29 AM	#21
FeelYourPaign Location: Barrington, IL Posts: 2,350	I'm thinking about what it would take to rebuild the football program 4 years from now and it is a huge hurdle to clear. The students who would be recruited then, juniors and seniors in high school, are in the 7th and 8th grades right now. Their awareness of PSU will drop steadily over the next four years. Further, the tradition of PSU will not be reconnected with easily. To bring in a Paterno "disciple" would not be well received and is likely not possible. So, basically a new guy has to restart the engine. It will be at least a decade, imo.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:32 AM	#24
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @John_Infante: NCAA releases says the NCAA is considering waiving scholarship limit for schools that accept PSU transfers.

Jul 23, 2012, 07:35 AM	#25
Dan Admin Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 26,026	RT @Mengus22 That release from the NCAA says Penn State has to release the incoming freshmen from their LOIs, too.