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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:24 AM   #1
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Illinois falls from #10 to #15 in Coaches Poll-

1 Duke 11-0 774 30 1
2 Michigan 12-0 745 1 2
3 Louisville 11-1 682 0 4
3 Arizona 11-0 682 0 5
5 Indiana 11-1 648 0 6
6 Kansas 10-1 642 0 8
7 Syracuse 10-1 559 0 3
8 Cincinnati 12-0 543 0 11
9 Missouri 10-1 537 0 12
10 Ohio St. 9-2 480 0 7
11 Florida 8-2 406 0 9
12 Creighton 11-1 395 0 13
13 Gonzaga 11-1 391 0 14
14 Minnesota 12-1 345 0 16
15 Illinois 12-1 330 0 10
16 San Diego St. 11-1 327 0 15
17 UNLV 11-1 240 0 18
18 Georgetown 10-1 217 0 21
19 Michigan St. 11-2 207 0 19
20 Notre Dame 12-1 181 0 22
21 Butler 9-2 136 0 25
22 Oklahoma St. 10-1 129 0 24
23 Kentucky 8-3 108 0 23
24 Pittsburgh 12-1 97 0 NR
25 N.C. State 9-2 87 0 NR

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:26 AM   #2
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I figured Illinois would drop no lower than 15th.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:34 AM   #3
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Absolute joke that we're behind Gonzaga.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:50 AM   #4
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So let me get this straight:

We are 12-1 with wins over now ranked #21 Butler and #13 Gonzaga with our only loss being to #9 Missouri, yet that 1 loss dropped us from 10th all the way down to 15th.

Looks like Illinois still has a lot to prove.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:53 AM   #5
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I dont think anyone should be surprised... The one problem I do have is that we are behind Gonzaga.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:55 AM   #6
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Definte reason for our Illini to play with a chip on their shoulder !!

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 10:57 AM   #7
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I dont think anyone should be surprised... The one problem I do have is that we are behind Gonzaga.
It took Florida two losses to drop 5 spots. Syracuse only dropped 3 spots losing to an unranked Temple. We were #13 when we beat Gonzaga at their place and they only dropped to #14.

This is a bigger drop than most teams would have with this loss.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:13 AM   #8
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Our only loss is to #9 Missouri on a "neutral" court.

Gonzaga's only loss is to now #15 Illinois at home.

Only thing I don't agree with on the new poll.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:13 AM   #9
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This is a bigger drop than most teams would have with this loss.
Thank goodness, unlike football, these rankings don't mean squat.

Follow Sagarin or Pomeroy.

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:23 AM   #10
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Illinois falls from #10 to #12

1 Duke (63) 11-0 1,623
2 Michigan (2) 12-0 1,551
3 Arizona 11-0 1,463
4 Louisville 11-1 1,422
5 Indiana 11-1 1,383
6 Kansas 10-1 1,309
7 Missouri 10-1 1,157
8 Cincinnati 12-0 1,144
9 Syracuse 10-1 1,140
10 Ohio State 9-2 965
11 Minnesota 12-1 878
12 Illinois 12-1 875
13 Gonzaga 11-1 824
14 Florida 8-2 772
15 Georgetown 10-1 674
16 Creighton 11-1 589
17 San Diego State 11-1 557
18 Butler 9-2 512
19 Michigan State 11-2 416
20 UNLV 11-1 382
21 Notre Dame 12-1 337
22 Oklahoma State 10-1 318
23 North Carolina State 9-2 264
24 Pittsburgh 12-1 189
25 Kansas State 9-2 152

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:24 AM   #11
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Now that poll makes a lot more sense. In front of Gonzaga, didn't fall very far.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:24 AM   #12
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Thank goodness, unlike football, these rankings don't mean squat.

Follow Sagarin or Pomeroy.
This is true. As long as Illinois is in the top 25, they'll get the added exposure.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:25 AM   #13
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Now that poll makes a lot more sense. In front of Gonzaga, didn't fall very far.
Agreed!
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:28 AM   #14
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If I were a betting man, I wouldn't have bet one dollar at the beginning of the year that I could say at this point into the season: "Illinois is better than Florida, Gonzaga, Michigan State, North Carolina, and Kentucky."
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:29 AM   #15
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Only 3 votes behind minny I will take it

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:31 AM   #16
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There is a big gap between # of votes Illinois got, and # of votes the Zags got.

Must be tough for Wyoming too. They're 12-0, beat a ranked Colorado team on the road, and still haven't cracked the top 25. They weren't even second or third in other teams that received votes!

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:37 AM   #17
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About where we should be as far as the AP goes. Win the next two and be back in the top ten. Need DJ to find his shot or play JP more.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:40 AM   #18
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About where we should be as far as the AP goes. Win the next two and be back in the top ten. Need DJ to find his shot or play JP more.
I think you mean JB, but yes, you're right. A win over Auburn will not move us much in the rankings, but a win over Ohio State would.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:42 AM   #19
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About where we should be as far as the AP goes. Win the next two and be back in the top ten. Need DJ to find his shot or play JP more.
Technically Illinois will need to win the next 3. We play 1 game this week and that could jump us up a spot with a win. Then the next week we have 2 games. We would have to win both to move back up into the top 10.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:49 AM   #20
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Coaches poll is a joke. Why would we be put behind the Zags? And drop 5 spots? Ridiculous. AP poll is much better.

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 11:59 AM   #21
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Illinois falls from #10 to #15 in Coaches Poll-

1 Duke 11-0 774 30 1
2 Michigan 12-0 745 1 2
3 Louisville 11-1 682 0 4
3 Arizona 11-0 682 0 5
5 Indiana 11-1 648 0 6
6 Kansas 10-1 642 0 8
7 Syracuse 10-1 559 0 3
8 Cincinnati 12-0 543 0 11
9 Missouri 10-1 537 0 12
10 Ohio St. 9-2 480 0 7
11 Florida 8-2 406 0 9
12 Creighton 11-1 395 0 13
13 Gonzaga 11-1 391 0 14
14 Minnesota 12-1 345 0 16
15 Illinois 12-1 330 0 10
16 San Diego St. 11-1 327 0 15
17 UNLV 11-1 240 0 18
18 Georgetown 10-1 217 0 21
19 Michigan St. 11-2 207 0 19
20 Notre Dame 12-1 181 0 22
21 Butler 9-2 136 0 25
22 Oklahoma St. 10-1 129 0 24
23 Kentucky 8-3 108 0 23
24 Pittsburgh 12-1 97 0 NR
25 N.C. State 9-2 87 0 NR

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaab/polls/
It really is a joke that Indiana and Gonzaga and the cuse are ranked a head of us. Just looking at THIS SEASONS body of work and through out PRESEASON EXPECTATIONS ... Just my opinion.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 12:05 PM   #22
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AP poll is better coaches are a joke. bottom line there are a lot of illini HATERS out there. Then to think they don't consider us a house hold name so yeah to them we aren't suppoes to be in the conversation of being a top tier team.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 12:12 PM   #23
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The coaches poll doesn't even really make sense. Every coach is going to be biased towards his own team, especially if his team is a top 10 caliber one. It'd be like asking a bunch of Illinois fans to pick their favorite B1G teams; pretty sure Indiana would be pretty low on that list, despite them being the 5th best team in the nation.
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 12:16 PM   #24
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The coaches poll doesn't even really make sense. Every coach is going to be biased towards his own team, especially if his team is a top 10 caliber one. It'd be like asking a bunch of Illinois fans to pick their favorite B1G teams; pretty sure Indiana would be pretty low on that list, despite them being the 5th best team in the nation.
Yeah I don't understand why there even is a coaches poll. You have a bunch of guys that don't even have time to watch the games, and then every single one of them will have biases towards their team, their conference, and their opponents, but I'm sure I'd love the coaches poll, if they had Illinois ranked in the top 10 lol : )
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 12:22 PM   #25
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Yeah I don't understand why there even is a coaches poll. You have a bunch of guys that don't even have time to watch the games, and then every single one of them will have biases towards their team, their conference, and their opponents, but I'm sure I'd love the coaches poll, if they had Illinois ranked in the top 10 lol : )
I think the original idea behind the coaches poll was to have expert coaches evaluate which teams were the "best," based on their expert observations, but as you point out, no coach has time to look at tape of 25 teams. They just delegate someone else on their staff to do it for them.

PS - I'm not hating on the coaches poll because we dropped five spots in it, I'm just overall beefing on its pointlessness.
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