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Lovie definitely seems like the guy who gives you one complete season every 4-5. All the seasons in between will be either bad offense or bad defense.
 
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Tennessee is a job at which it's possible to have legit national championship aspirations, but that is also the expectation level of the school and the fanbase and there are major, major hurdles to meeting that expectation level.

Illinois does not have nearly that high of ceiling in the medium term. What we do have though is exceedingly low expectations among fans and critically the college football community at large, and basically nothing standing in the way of achieving them. Which is good in two ways, first, having a clear path to success, but also, being seen as successful at a place like Illinois could be a springboard to the elite of the elite, jobs where national titles are more achievable than at Tennessee.

Tennessee is a dilapidated house on the nicest street in town. Illinois is in the slums but with good bones and move-in ready. As they say in real estate, location, location, location.
I would respectfully disagree. I think that Tennessee is a run-down mansion in a very rough neighborhood (the SEC schools that have surpassed them).

Also, I think that Illinois is a graveyard, not a house.

I agree with your comment about Tennessee and Illinois shopping in different aisles for coaches.
 
What will be a huge kick in the balls if Schiano comes in and beats us now.
Schiano made his reputation beating nobodies when the Big East was a joke after Miami, Va Tech and Boston College left.

He went 0-for-11 against West Virginia, but South Florida and UConn felt his wrath.

Kind of a similar story to Al Golden at Temple who also found himself at a school in suddenly weaker circumstances (they were briefly in the MAC) and landed himself the Miami job despite beating absolutely nobody.

Now, all Rutgers is asking Schiano to do is come in and win against nobodies again, and I bet he can hurdle that bar. But it's nothing for us to be scared of. If we can achieve the dizzying heights of Dave Wannstedt-era Pitt, we'll be fine.
 
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8.47 million for the buyout.

No excuses for financial reasons now.
Just for my own sanity here. What is considered a high buyout nowadays? This seems like a fairly high number for someone like us or Rutgers to pay but I’m apparently wrong.
 
Just for my own sanity here. What is considered a high buyout nowadays? This seems like a fairly high number for someone like us or Rutgers to pay but I’m apparently wrong.
Just for clarity on the Ash one, it's $8.47MM because they owe him the rest of this season's salary. $7.5MM is what they owe beyond this season when they have a new coach.

And it obviously depends a bit by school, but I'd say you're getting into high buyout range there, especially for Rutgers. Bret Bielema got 12 from Arkansas, Larry Fedora got 12 from UNC, Jim Mora got 12 from UCLA, Bobby Petrino got over 14 from Louisville, which is I think the largest ever actually paid.

Lovie's stands at $4 million. That's low for the industry in 2019, especially considering that's only one year's worth of his total salary.

Whatever people may have said publicly, the terms of Lovie's contract made very clear that for the first three years firing wasn't a possibility (the buyout was $12.6 million last year), but thereafter it was.

If Whitman wants to move on, Lovie's gone, the buyout won't stand in his way.
 
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Just for clarity on the Ash one, it's $8.47MM because they owe him the rest of this season's salary. $7.5MM is what they owe beyond this season when they have a new coach.

And it obviously depends a bit by school, but I'd say you're getting into high buyout range there, especially for Rutgers. Bret Bielema got 12 from Arkansas, Larry Fedora got 12 from UNC, Jim Mora got 12 from UCLA, Bobby Petrino got over 14 from Louisville, which is I think the largest ever actually paid.

Lovie's stands at $4 million. That's low for the industry in 2019, especially considering that's only one year's worth of his total salary.

Whatever people may have said publicly, the terms of Lovie's contract made very clear that for the first three years firing wasn't a possibility (the buyout was $12.6 million last year), but thereafter it was.

If Whitman wants to move on, Lovie's gone, the buyout won't stand in his way.
For the bolded I know it’s not public record because notre dame is private, but wasn’t Charlie Weis’s buyout said to be around 20M?
 
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For the bolded I know it’s not public record because notre dame is private, but wasn’t Charlie Weis’s buyout said to be around 20M?
Yeah, I knew I had to be forgetting somebody. And that was 2009 which is the stone age in NCAA revenue terms.

Weis also got a $5.6 million buyout from Kansas while he was still getting paid by ND lol.
 
I'm having trouble finding a buyout that's been paid in recent years lower than Lovie's $4 million.

David Beaty's at Kansas was $3MM, which is very much the exception that proves the rule. He was there because he was cheap.

Purdue paid Darrell Hazell $4.4MM, Iowa State paid Paul Rhoads $4.6MM, the numbers have all gone up along the same scale salaries have.

I think IU only owes Tom Allen like $2MM if they fire him this year, that's the only other low one I could find.
 
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I'm having trouble finding a buyout that's been paid in recent years lower than Lovie's $4 million.

David Beaty's at Kansas was $3MM, which is very much the exception that proves the rule. He was there because he was cheap.

Purdue paid Darrell Hazell $4.4MM, Iowa State paid Paul Rhoads $4.6MM, the numbers have all gone up along the same scale salaries have.

I think IU only owes Tom Allen like $2MM if they fire him this year, that's the only other low one I could find.
With that perspective I feel like he has to be gone.
 
I just have a hunch he goes to Michigan for a few years.
I’d take that bet. Michigan will aiming a lot higher, all due respect to Les.

As for Rutgers, Schiano or no, they’ve got a big time mountain to climb. That roster has no real talent outside of the sophomore QB that Ash has ruined.
 

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I’d take that bet. Michigan will aiming a lot higher, all due respect to Les.

As for Rutgers, Schiano or no, they’ve got a big time mountain to climb. That roster has no real talent outside of the sophomore QB that Ash has ruined.

And to think.......Rutgers had verbal commitments at one time from Saquon Barkley and Jonathan Taylor (at different times).

A lot of talent in New Jersey and surrounding areas. But they get virtually none of it.
 
I'm having trouble finding a buyout that's been paid in recent years lower than Lovie's $4 million.

David Beaty's at Kansas was $3MM, which is very much the exception that proves the rule. He was there because he was cheap.

Purdue paid Darrell Hazell $4.4MM, Iowa State paid Paul Rhoads $4.6MM, the numbers have all gone up along the same scale salaries have.

I think IU only owes Tom Allen like $2MM if they fire him this year, that's the only other low one I could find.
I think it’s less about the buyout at this point and more about Whitman’s ability to admit his folly.
 
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