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Old Apr 15, 2018, 07:34 AM   #101
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I love the fact that I can watch the PAC12 Network but lose the BIG10 in the FL market???? this really sucks. I would have left comcast years ago it if wasn't subsidized as part of my HOA fees. Maybe this will put me over the edge. I can only take so much SEC crap down here.
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 10:45 AM   #102
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(I no longer live in Gopherland)
Same here, though for me I created my username during my brief 2 year stint living in Indy.
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 10:59 AM   #103
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I’ve been pissed at Comcast for years as they only offer BTN in Standard Definition in the Bay Area. There have been other factors keeping me on board (mostly internet speed). Great timing though as AT&T just added 1GB fiber to my area. Install setup for Thursday and I’m already testing out YouTubeTV. Can’t wait till next week when I can give Comcast an earful and finally cancel!!!!

Long overdue...
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 12:07 PM   #104
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Cuck Fomcast.
spell check?
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 06:44 PM   #105
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Shouldn't they move to ala carte and let everyone select their own channels? Doing so would probably result in the demise of the smaller, less-watched channels but I would be OK with that.
Agreed. Cable can have their basic channels, but why couldn't they charge ala carte for sports channels, BTN, SEC networkm etc? Get Dish, or Directv, they carry the major conferences, plus many channels like NBA, MLB, etc.
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 08:17 PM   #106
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Agreed. Cable can have their basic channels, but why couldn't they charge ala carte for sports channels, BTN, SEC networkm etc? Get Dish, or Directv, they carry the major conferences, plus many channels like NBA, MLB, etc.
t this point I am definitely looking at DirecTV Now and YouTube TV. Both are intriguing but, my understanding is that each has one shortcoming...DirecTV Now does not have the cloud DVR that Youtube TV offers and YouTube TV does not have HGTV which the wife requires. The first to rectify their shortcoming gets my $$$.
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Old Apr 15, 2018, 09:08 PM   #107
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t this point I am definitely looking at DirecTV Now and YouTube TV. Both are intriguing but, my understanding is that each has one shortcoming...DirecTV Now does not have the cloud DVR that Youtube TV offers and YouTube TV does not have HGTV which the wife requires. The first to rectify their shortcoming gets my $$$.
Playstation Vue?
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 04:55 AM   #108
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Playstation Vue?
Had not considered that but will take a look. Thanks.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 08:55 AM   #109
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That was very important in 2010 and played into the Nebraska decision, but 4X16 was dead by the time of the Maryland and Rutgers additions. The Big XII signed a grant of rights deal in September 2012 that was the end of that particular alternate universe. It really might have happened if not for the Longhorn Network though, amazing.

Also, give Delany some credit, even if he was misguided, he wasn't reacting to the 4X16 idea, he was one of the main creators of it.
I don't agree with your version of the prevailing narrative, and I think further, that the negotiation process takes long enough that positioning is a calculated risk --you lead many months ahead of where the average Joe thinks the narrative is when they read the news. That's part of why I give him more credit than most. Not trying to persuade you --you have your own view of it, and that's fine.
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Old Apr 16, 2018, 09:31 AM   #110
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I don't agree with your version of the prevailing narrative, and I think further, that the negotiation process takes long enough that positioning is a calculated risk --you lead many months ahead of where the average Joe thinks the narrative is when they read the news.
Not sure I understand.
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Old May 18, 2018, 12:03 PM   #111
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I'm just gonna leave this here:

https://frankthetank.me/2018/05/18/o...e-realignment/
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Old May 18, 2018, 12:11 PM   #112
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The "Tier 1 market" thing is interesting.

In my experience both MSU and especially Michigan have larger fan presences in Chicago than Indiana or Purdue. Football program quality is probably heavily tied into that though.

Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin are the Big Ten schools you're likeliest to see people supporting out at your local bars on a fall Saturday in Chicago. Including us
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Old May 18, 2018, 12:15 PM   #113
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The "Tier 1 market" thing is interesting.

In my experience both MSU and especially Michigan have larger fan presences in Chicago than Indiana or Purdue. Football program quality is probably heavily tied into that though.

Michigan, Iowa and Wisconsin are the Big Ten schools you're likeliest to see people supporting out at your local bars on a fall Saturday in Chicago. Including us
OSU and even Iowa seem to have more love in Chicago than we do
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Old May 18, 2018, 12:29 PM   #114
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OSU and even Iowa seem to have more love in Chicago than we do
The loudest voices in Illini Nation are the ones who have just walked away over the past 11-or-so years. A deafening silence.

Can we ever win them back? I hope so. The guys I went to undergrad with humor me, but just don't really have any interest anymore. Tough to blame them.
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Old May 18, 2018, 02:51 PM   #115
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Frank the Tank - looks at some TV market info that came out recently from WSJ
https://frankthetank.me/2018/05/18/o...e-realignment/
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Old May 18, 2018, 03:16 PM   #116
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Frank the Tank - looks at some TV market info that came out recently from WSJ
https://frankthetank.me/2018/05/18/o...e-realignment/
So why would Comcast drop the BigTen Network from areas outside the B1G footprint ? Seems like a money loser.... I know I'm outside it and am po'ed they're dropping it.....
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Old May 18, 2018, 04:03 PM   #117
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So why would Comcast drop the BigTen Network from areas outside the B1G footprint ? Seems like a money loser.... I know I'm outside it and am po'ed they're dropping it.....
Seems they're trying to strong-arm BTN leading up to the next round of network carriage negotiations. Poor choice to drop it in the Bay Area though in my opinion as there are a large contingent of BigTen alumni engineers living out here.

I cancelled Comcast earlier this month because of exactly this reason and let them know why. They ended up losing my phone & internet business too after I shopped around and found much better deals.
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Old May 18, 2018, 06:13 PM   #118
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tldr?
Oh, I definitely read it. Frank the Tank's posts are always a treat.

It's a pretty great analysis of the link WhiteRhino posted previously and bolsters my claim in this thread that the Big Ten has always had a large representation in the Mid-Atlantic that's only continued to grow.

I also think it pretty solidly rebuffs a lot of claims S&C makes earlier in this thread and found it fascinating that he only latched onto the part about Chicago.

I get that the Big Ten has a certain feeling to some fans and I'm sympathetic to those feelings. Ultimately, though, college sports is a business and the data shows ours is the only conference that's close to a national one. Leaning into that through the network and expanding the conference into areas alums already reside has not only born massive fruit in terms of dollars to the schools, but also been shown to be the correct long-term move.

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Old May 18, 2018, 07:17 PM   #119
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Leaning into that through the network and expanding the conference into areas alums already reside has not only born massive fruit in terms of dollars to the schools, but also been shown to be the correct long-term move.
One of the notes made there was that every Big Ten school has at least a Tier 3 market in LA.

You're Jim Delany. The president of USC walks into your office tomorrow and says "we're in". Do you accept?
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Old May 18, 2018, 07:45 PM   #120
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One of the notes made there was that every Big Ten school has at least a Tier 3 market in LA.

You're Jim Delany. The president of USC walks into your office tomorrow and says "we're in". Do you accept?
For the cheerleaders alone, ... Yes! (and then kick RU or UMd out - your pick)
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Old May 18, 2018, 08:00 PM   #121
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One of the notes made there was that every Big Ten school has at least a Tier 3 market in LA.

You're Jim Delany. The president of USC walks into your office tomorrow and says "we're in". Do you accept?
If I'm Jim Delany, in a heartbeat. Frankly, if any team in the original Pac 8 wants in, you take them. All of their markets, athletics, academics, and fanbases make them no-brainers.

If I'm myself, someone that has zero nostalgia for a bygone era and wants the Big Ten to be inarguably the most powerful conference in the country, just as fast.

But I'm going to guess this is a place we differ.
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Old May 18, 2018, 08:02 PM   #122
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One of the notes made there was that every Big Ten school has at least a Tier 3 market in LA.

You're Jim Delany. The president of USC walks into your office tomorrow and says "we're in". Do you accept?
That is a great question that would take a lot of thought and consideration.

I think if you take USC, you have to add another school to the west like Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas and then split into two divisions for all sports.
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Old May 18, 2018, 08:03 PM   #123
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If I'm Jim Delany, in a heartbeat. Frankly, if any team in the original Pac 8 wants in, you take them. All of their markets, athletics, academics, and fanbases make them no-brainers.
I'll walk that back one sec. Washington State would be a really bad add on its own lol.
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Old May 18, 2018, 08:05 PM   #124
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Oh wow, Dan changed the name of the thread. I love it!
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Old May 18, 2018, 08:09 PM   #125
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I'll walk that back one sec. Washington State would be a really bad add on its own lol.
Hard pass on Washington State and Oregon State.
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