Illinois Basketball 2016-2017

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Tying it together with the comments above, I'm excited to see what an off-season with Fletcher will do for Finke and DJ (and Jordan). Put 10-12 solid pounds on any of them and things get kind of interesting.

Agreed. I'm excited to see results across the board. What if Hill can add 3 inches to his vertical? What if Lucas becomes more explosive with the ball in his hands? The good news is that Kipper, I'm sure, has been spending plenty of time with Fletcher while red shirting and he was already pretty built.
 
#677      
I'm not trying to argue with you guys about Fletcher because I am also excited about what he brings to the table. But under the previous s&c coach Rayvonte Rice went from overweight to under 5% body fat, Egwu got stronger and lost body fat, Kendrick Nunn gained muscle, and Malcolm Hill gained 15-20 lbs if I remember correctly. But the thing that separates Fletcher from many s&c coaches is he played d1 basketball. Groce has mentioned this multiple times, it adds a different dynamic that many s&c coaches don't have.
 
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I'm not trying to argue with you guys about Fletcher because I am also excited about what he brings to the table. But under the previous s&c coach Rayvonte Rice went from overweight to under 5% body fat, Egwu got stronger and lost body fat, Kendrick Nunn gained muscle, and Malcolm Hill gained 15-20 lbs if I remember correctly. But the thing that separates Fletcher from many s&c coaches is he played d1 basketball. Groce has mentioned this multiple times, it adds a different dynamic that many s&c coaches don't have.



A lot of change relies on the players too. But a good S&C coach pushed you to do it.

Also nutrition is the biggest factor in diet/transforming body.
 
#679      
I always get a kick out of IAmChrisFarley discussing nutrition, diet, and transforming one's body.
 
#681      
I always get a kick out of IAmChrisFarley discussing nutrition, diet, and transforming one's body.



Lololololol
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#682      
How is it that LaTulip spends 3 years with one coach and looks average and then looks pretty ripped in a few months with another?

To be fair, MLT did not need to be in game shape at any point this year. So he likely had very different training goals this year than the past years. It is very feasible that "average MLT" is a better player than "ripped MLT" and that is why he looked the way he did.
 
#683      
To be fair, MLT did not need to be in game shape at any point this year. So he likely had very different training goals this year than the past years. It is very feasible that "average MLT" is a better player than "ripped MLT" and that is why he looked the way he did.

True, strength training doesn't necessarily mean he's in the best game shape, but it makes conditioning a lot easier later on.
 
#684      
Yep. Theres a lot to it. Fletch clearly knows what hes doing. Theres a lot of coaches out there who just have guys in there moving around weight getting minimal results. Seems like thats what we had before. It looks like we have a guy now who has guys in there doing correct exercises with the correct number of sets and reps based on percentages. I dont know what Fletch's role is with nutrition but either he or someone else needs a lot of credit there. You dont change your body without proper nutrition. Whether that be adding size or getting ripped or both. Nutrition is 80%+ of the journey.

Bro, do you even lift? ;)

How "well" you eat contributes more to making your six pack visible, not how strong you are. Eating "enough" is what gives you muscle mass. However, lifting hard, intelligently, and consistently is 80%+ of the journey. Basically you get strong by lifting heavy stuff. Newbies progress best on a workout plan like the "texas method", "starting strength", or "5x5", advanced athletes progress best on a system like "Wendler 531", "Westside", "Cube", etc. Eating enough protein (1g per pound of bodyweight daily), and calories, and rest, allow good workouts to yield muscle gains.
 
#685      
Tracy Abrams squatted 308lbs today and was also doing box jumps. Also, anyone with Twitter needs to see what Coach Fletcher did to LaTulip's body. :eek:

Oh come on , Really, who couldn't do that .Piece of cake. Heck, I could do it without squatting .
 
#686      
True, strength training doesn't necessarily mean he's in the best game shape, but it makes conditioning a lot easier later on.

Yes. Max strength is the foundation for everything physical, but it's not the only thing an athlete wants to maximize!
 
#687      
Bro, do you even lift? ;)

How "well" you eat contributes more to making your six pack visible, not how strong you are. Eating "enough" is what gives you muscle mass. However, lifting hard, intelligently, and consistently is 80%+ of the journey. Basically you get strong by lifting heavy stuff. Newbies progress best on a workout plan like the "texas method", "starting strength", or "5x5", advanced athletes progress best on a system like "Wendler 531", "Westside", "Cube", etc. Eating enough protein (1g per pound of bodyweight daily), and calories, and rest, allow good workouts to yield muscle gains.

I do lift, in fact it's what I got my bachelors in. To be a strength and conditioning coach. - side note since you mentioned it, I'm currently doing the 531 program.

That's pretty much what I said. I never said the nutrition determines your strength. Although it certainly contributes. Nutrition is how change how your body looks.- like you said. But ask anyone who knows what they are talking about and they'll nutrition is the most important and most difficult part. If you don't do that, you can lift for years and not look anymore than an average guy who just lifts. It's like you said, you need the proper macros and rest change your body.

Like I have said many times size and strength do not necessarily go hand in hand. Most strongmen don't look aesthetically pleasing. Be it big or small. I think some people are expecting our players to look like bodybuilders. Which they won't and they shouldn't.
 
#688      
I think I'll take my kettlebells and go hide in the corner.
 
#693      
Fun fact: Only 4 teams in the Big Ten have have recruited a top 100 center from 2013-16, with only 1 team expected to return one of those top 100 centers next year. Purdue with Haas.
 
#694      
Fun fact: Only 4 teams in the Big Ten have have recruited a top 100 center from 2013-16, with only 1 team expected to return one of those top 100 centers next year. Purdue with Haas.
Very interesting...was Swanigan one or idoes your research consider him a PF? Saw stone is listed as late 1st round. Would think he could use another year, but like to see him depart.
 
#695      
Very interesting...was Swanigan one or idoes your research consider him a PF? Saw stone is listed as late 1st round. Would think he could use another year, but like to see him depart.

I did. I missed one though, so it's actually 5 teams that recruited a top 100 center, but that's if you include Deyonta Davis and Thomas Bryant as centers. Those guys have been labelled power forwards by some sites, but I don't think it makes a difference at this level.

Still that only leaves Purdue as the lone team with a top 100 center. Could be 2, maybe 3 depending on who comes back. That's huge for Morgan and Finke. It would be even better if Thorne is granted another year.
 
#696      
I did. I missed one though, so it's actually 5 teams that recruited a top 100 center, but that's if you include Deyonta Davis and Thomas Bryant as centers. Those guys have been labelled power forwards by some sites, but I don't think it makes a difference at this level.

Still that only leaves Purdue as the lone team with a top 100 center. Could be 2, maybe 3 depending on who comes back. That's huge for Morgan and Finke. It would be even better if Thorne is granted another year.

How many Centers are in the Top 100 on a given year... 15? Considering Kansas, Kentucky, NC, Duke, and the other blue boods will get the best 5 out of 10 highly ranked centers every year, that's not a lot to go around for the rest of the NCAA.
 
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Found this interesting, shows Illinois as the 15th most valuable brand in college hoops. Kinda makes you think we should be a top 15 program, eh? If only it were that simple...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-much-is-your-college-basketball-team-worth-1459459516
Methodology is somewhat vague

" Brewer analyzed each program’s revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections to calculate what a college team would be worth on the open market, if it could be bought and sold like a professional franchise."

And yet the table is titled "nothing but revenue".

Not real clear, IMO
 
#700      
Methodology is somewhat vague

" Brewer analyzed each program’s revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections to calculate what a college team would be worth on the open market, if it could be bought and sold like a professional franchise."

And yet the table is titled "nothing but revenue".

Not real clear, IMO

It says nothing but net (revenue). I think they are just trying to be cute. That said, as some of the posters wrote, they have TAMU in the Big 12. So..., yeah it's probably not reflective of the appropriate revenue share arrangements. But whatever, probably some kid's school paper. Still found it interesting.
 
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