Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (April-June 2016)

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Briscoe vs JCL is an interesting comparison. They were RSCI #11 and #37 a year ago, so the idea was that Briscoe was the better prospect and probably the guy with the more likely NBA future.

Briscoe's big advantage is that he definitely has an NBA position. He can play the point on offense and guard it at the other end. Good size, good body, good strength, you have no worries that he can hold up at the 1 in the NBA. JCL on the other hand is a tweener combo guard who hasn't filled out his frame at all. He's still young but at his current level of strength it's tough to see any role for him on an NBA floor. Who is he gonna defend? Because against college players last year, the answer was "nobody". And beyond just the body concerns, we haven't seen much in the way of distribution from him. I think at best he's an E'Twaun Moore type where he's a very undersized two who you can maybe get away with giving some spot minutes at the one, though Moore has had to develop that over his pro career.

What JCL has is a clear NBA skill, which is that he's a knockdown shooter in multiple situations. Off the dribble, off of screens, off of curls, catch-and-shoot, he can really stroke it. And while he's not elite at putting the ball on the floor, he's good enough and athletic enough to make people respect him. He's not Jon Diebler.

Briscoe isn't an explosive athlete, but he's a decent one with a high motor and he uses that strong body well. He's a pugnacious player, which I always like, seems like most of the guys who aren't freakazoid pogo sticks who make it in the NBA play with that kind of attitude. His problem is that he can't shoot at all. The jump shot form is a mess, it's going to be a total rebuild for that part of his game. And while sometimes a broken jumpshot on an otherwise great player just stays broken (ask Michael Kidd-Gilchrist), NBA teams tend to have a lot of confidence that they can fix a shooter and are eager to take a flyer on someone if that's their only major problem.

I like both guys. They both have a feel for playing basketball and they both carry themselves like playmakers and winners. They're both assertive which can be half the battle for guys with fringey skillsets. But since Briscoe's issue is one that NBA teams tend to overlook, whereas with JCL it's more of a question of what you do with him in the first place, I would definitely say that Briscoe is the better NBA prospect at this point in time, and that the high school evaluators got that one right.

- Making it in the NBA as a PG is tough. I'm not convinced Briscoe is even close to being good enough for the NBA(right now) He has the type of game where he does well against guys that aren't as big and strong a him. In the NBA when he is going against the top guys, his drive to the basket game isn't going to be near as effective. (B

- I'd be thrilled if JCL became as good as E'Twaun. Moore is one of the more underrated players in the league IMO. He is really coming into his own as a solid rotational guy. JCL will never be able to play defense like him though.
 
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I agree with this point wholeheartedly. A lot of people on message boards tend to totally dismiss the defensive assessment that nba scouts utilize. I am not by any means a Briscoe fan and I think he was primarily a bully bucket-getter in high school, but he was one of the best on-ball defenders in college. That guy has pretty good anticipation skills despite being an explosive athlete. With that being said, I believe that alone makes him a better prospect because if your're under 6'4" and not an elite defender, you better be a phenomenal facilitator (Ulis) or just one of the best pure scorers regardless of height (Kyrie Irving/Steph Curry).

Briscoe wasn't even the best on ball defender on his own team. NBA scouts do like defense, but they also like knock down shooters.
 
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Would love for that to happen, but E'Twaun Moore had a much more developed game on offense than JCL at the same stage.

I am not by any means a Briscoe fan and I think he was primarily a bully bucket-getter in high school, but he was one of the best on-ball defenders in college. That guy has pretty good anticipation skills despite being an explosive athlete. With that being said, I believe that alone makes him a better prospect because if your're under 6'4" and not an elite defender, you better be a phenomenal facilitator (Ulis) or just one of the best pure scorers regardless of height (Kyrie Irving/Steph Curry).

- Making it in the NBA as a PG is tough. I'm not convinced Briscoe is even close to being good enough for the NBA(right now) He has the type of game where he does well against guys that aren't as big and strong a him. In the NBA when he is going against the top guys, his drive to the basket game isn't going to be near as effective.

- I'd be thrilled if JCL became as good as E'Twaun. Moore is one of the more underrated players in the league IMO. He is really coming into his own as a solid rotational guy. JCL will never be able to play defense like him though.

Agree with all of this.
 
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Magoo222

St Louis, MO
If Charlie Moore is now an option, then it probably means that Nunn is probably not. (Just making the assumption his case is more problematic than Tate's, with no evidence to base that on.) In my opinion, a Moore for Nunn swap does not make Illinois better next season. However, I think a Moore for Tate swap would.

In other words, we only want to trade Moore for less. lol Sorry, couldn't resist that.
 
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CAHALL15

Central Illinois
If Tilmon is worried about JG being there in 2017 why don't they put a stipulation in the LOI, like Charlie Moore had, allowing his release if the coach leaves?

To add to this, he can play at Illinois without signing an LOI. I believe Malik Newman and one or two other guys did that last year.
 
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Briscoe wasn't even the best on ball defender on his own team. NBA scouts do like defense, but they also like knock down shooters.

Who Ulis? I think Ulis is pesky, cerebral, and played solid def for college by Briscoe by far took the tougher matchups. It's not just a height thing, but weight and length too. Briscoe is very stout and has a 6'8" wingspan. That translates into the league a lot more. It's kinda like when Dee was here and garnered numerous steals,yet Darren was actually the better defender. And if the NBA was so high on knock down shooters vs defenders Fredette wouldn't be in the D League and Patrick Beverly would.


Back to recruiting, I think Charlie Moore could potentially be Ulis type of college defender if he exercises more patience. I know TJL is young but looking at his shoulders and base, he should feel out more and he could be a Briscoe type of defender. We actually need better pure defenders given that last year's team lacked elite defenders and we paid for it.
 
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Back to recruiting, I think Charlie Moore could potentially be Ulis type of college defender if he exercises more patience. I know TJL is young but looking at his shoulders and base, he should feel out more and he could be a Briscoe type of defender. We actually need better pure defenders given that last year's team lacked elite defenders and we paid for it.


+1. I really think TJL is what this team calls for. An attacking guard looking to score/shoot(Moore) is a nice commodity, but this team needs a floor general who can defend the perimeter.
 
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Unless I counted the scholarships incorrectly, it has to be a swap of someone. If Thorne is gone, then it makes more sense to sign a 5th yr big than Moore for next season. If it's a 1 or 2 (AJ, JCL, Nunn, DJW, or Tate) that ends up gone, then I would argue that only Moore for Tate would be a clear cut plus to next season's team.

Just a matter of how you look at, you give Moore Nunn's scholarship & I think we all agree we are not better next year. Give him Tate's and I imagine most think we are better next year, but a bit more debatable. Someone would have to go to make room for Moore, but in reality we aren't swapping Moore for Nunn. Nunn is either back or gone and we have no control over that. If he is gone, then it is for a different reason than trying to field the best team next year, so the choice at that point is open schollie, Moore, or someone else. Ideally I would like to have a big, ideally one that can rebound & play defense to help in 2016/17 or late 2016 (which would be a miracle at this point) that we hope can help us in 2017.
 
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Three-star 2017 small forward (6-6, 200) out of Canada latest with an #Illini offer.
https://twitter.com/srrichey/status/725431751493963776
https://twitter.com/Abu_Kigab23/status/725402050582827008

Ranked 3rd in Canada in the '17 class according to this site. I like what they have to say about him. Sounds like a winner.

"Identified as having the highest motor of all 2017 Canadians, this statement holds true until now. The amount of aggression and communication that he brings to the game has had positive impacts at every level–Junior National Team, AAU and currently at Prolific Prep.

Plays with fire and always on the attack regardless of which side of the floor he is on. His energy rubs off on his teammates, his body language and tone becomes contagious.

From a skill standpoint, it’s coming along steadily. The handle still needs to get tighter and his shooting need to improve. Be on the look out."

http://northpolehoops.com/2016/02/1...r-rankings-february-2016/#5Um47GYzEICJGhA2.99
 
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Joel Goodson

dawgville
No clue how to reconcile Moore's top 8 with news of his upcoming visit to Iowa. Obviously, if he wants to stay close to home, we're in the catbird seat.
 
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SycIllini

Sycamore, Illinois
Would Moore coming here help our Chicago recruiting reputation going forward?
 
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