Baylor has a real nasty history among their coaches and programs. The basketball staff (if not Drew himself) is not above it all either. Nothing as bad as the Bliss years but threatening to get a kid deported unless he comes to school there is not cool.
Art Briles out at Baylor
Baylor has a real nasty history among their coaches and programs. The basketball staff (if not Drew himself) is not above it all either. Nothing as bad as the Bliss years but threatening to get a kid deported unless he comes to school there is not cool.
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Correct. But with this many eyes on the program, we may see how Baylor got so many damn good football players to show up to Waco in the first place.
From Baylor's website: At Baylor, we celebrate our distinctive place in higher education - where research, scholarship and faith guide the mind in understanding the complex diversity of God's creation and prepare the whole person for service and leadership.
In addition, from my interactions in being down here, it's obvious that the students that come from Baylor chose to attend as much due to their Christian values as the academics.
One last point, on their application for employment, they specifically request religious beliefs (which is then used to discourage some job applicants from continuing the process), as is their right to do under "religious freedom."
Don't be fooled by the fact that they're now in a power 5 conference. This school is nothing but a religious institution through and through.
My main point (and this was badly stated) is that Baylor is a joke of a university, academically and athletically. As has been proven time and time again, it exploits students who believe in the religious institution and have a real moral center. I don't understand why the national media and plenty of college football fans held them up as the next king of the sport, with the university's blood stained history. I don't shed a tear watching them go down in flames. Hopefully for the final time.
They were willing to give scholarships to people other schools wouldn't and worked to keep them on the field even when other schools would have kicked them off the team seems to be the indication.
It's not like they recruited THAT much talent.
Uh, because they were really good at football?
I take your point about the school. But they deserve credit for firing Briles, the most valuable employee that school has ever had.
I'm guessing the NCAA learned nothing from their Penn St fiasco and will jump in once again.
Thank you
Oh, Second and Cahlmers... they fired the coach because they got caught. there's no way they werent involved in the cover up that involved the AD, the police department and numerouse student victims who were threatened to keep thier mouth shut. notice that the AD was only suspended.
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Wait, you think the NCAA was wrong in their sanctions against PSU?
However morally right they may have been, there is no argument of any kind whatsoever that they had jurisdiction to levy that punishment. They made up make-believe authority in order to present themselves publicly on the right side of the issue.
When that falls on Joe Paterno, it feels good. When it falls on Lou Henson, not so good.
The NCAA should stick to enforcing their rules, i.e. eligibility, recruiting rules, etc. Leave the enforcement of criminal violations to the appropriate authorities and the legal system.
Or, if they want to get involved with punishing coaches and players for criminal conduct, specifically codify those enforcement mechanisms beforehand.
I don't think this is a great area for the NCAA to get involved in, but if they're determined to do it, ad-hoc public relations focused capriciousness is the wrong way to go.
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Coaches who enable rape because it's good for their football programs should be punished by the NCAA. That includes PSU and Baylor. End of story.
I understand why you think this way, it's the same reasoning that got the NCAA in trouble. "OMG! This is Sooooooo bad! We have to do SOMETHING!"
But when all you have to point to for enforcement is some vague statements about ethical behavior and institutional control, you're playing off a really weak hand. And then (i.e. PSU) you end up having to back off eventually.
I'm a huge fan of seeing the individuals involved (who committed crimes and those who directly or indirectly aided in covering them up) punished to the full extent of the law.
Jail time punishes those specifically involved.
NCAA sanctions punish everyone associated with the university (and not fairly).
The NCAA playing sheriff on this just doesn't feel right to me. It takes the focus away from the real issue, violence, rape, etc, and makes it about sports.
Ick.
Jail time punishes those specifically involved.
NCAA sanctions punish everyone associated with the university (and not fairly).
The NCAA playing sheriff on this just doesn't feel right to me. It takes the focus away from the real issue, violence, rape, etc, and makes it about sports.
Ick.
Disagree --- these coaches should be punished by the courts system. That is what the court system is for.
That's the only thing I could think of, a lack of institutional control, if you will. Im not sure that csn even be considered a punishable offense by the ncaa.
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Does the NCAA enforce Title IX?
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FIFY.
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There's a difference in that what Beckman was doing was directly related to players. Baylor is also directly related to the players and with Briles help gave them a competitive advantage by shielding players from facing justice (and thus missing games). The NCAA should, without question, be involved if the schools don't take the appropriate steps to fix the problem. In Illinois' case, well we pretty much cleaned house though it took longer than most would have liked. In Baylor's case I think you'll see the NCAA come calling for them with a pretty big stick if this thing continues to blow up.
In PSU's case, while as disturbing and messed up and weird and awful as it was, there weren't really any interactions with the players. Paterno enabled Sandusky to molest children on university grounds and the AD/President certainly didn't do much to squash it. But really all that any of that has to do with athletics is that they're coaches. It didn't affect the outcome of games, it didn't keep ineligible players from playing etc.. Now, yes the kids who swear to stand by Joe are just as stupid as Joe was.. but there's no real jurisdiction for the NCAA to be involved.
The police should have been involved a lot sooner and if they were the whole NCAA thing just kind of fixes itself (Paterno and Sandusky can't coach from jail).
Their job, insofar as the NCAA is concerned, is to enforce the NCAA rulebook.
Something isn't illegal unless there is a law specifically against it. Something isn't an NCAA violation unless there is an NCAA rule specifically against it.
I think that's a federal issue, or it's related to institutions that accept federal funding. I believe the NCAA bylaws require adherence to gender equity, you can read them to find out.