I do not think it is a good indication of a coaches ability to pick 2 or 3 players here and there and point to there improved play over 2, 3 or 4 years as proof or disproof of the coaches merits. There will be many 18 year olds that will show great improvement by age of 21 even if they only played pick-up at IMPE. A good coach raises the level of all the ships, I mean players, over time. Any 4th year player under the same head coach should have a very good idea of what is expected on offense and should be able to be in the right position most of the time and play serviceable minutes of defense that make up for physical limitations because of experience and technique. This is where/why I am sorry to say Coach Groce needs to go.
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... and had lost to Winthrop. At home. In pretty dispiriting fashion.
Down Big Ten, actual parity in NCAA this season and still not a lock for tourney in year 5. Time for a change.
The conference is actually pretty competitive this year, there's just no elites. Every team besides Rutgers is top 100 KenPom. The more discouraging thing for me is that we weren't all that competitive against the top teams of the conference, despite those teams not being truly top level squads.
It's a weak conference this year, imo. And yes, I agree we looked like bad vs the top teams and IU. Just very frustrating considering this being a veteran team.
I don't know about that. Cuonzo has 5 star talents at Cal and he is just as much in the bubble as Groce. I would roll the dice on Keatts though.
Conference is ranked better on Kenpom than it was either of the last 2 years I believe
FatGreg, your last few posts are right on.
People don't seem to realize that there are 13 other teams in the B1G doing their best to win - 25 plus wins a year just doesn't happen very often. Even if you are Tom Izzo and have your team going deep into both the BTT and NCAA tourney regularly, you get there at best about half the time. He has 12 in 22 years (7 final fours). Beilein has 2 25+ game winning seasons in 10 years, Crean has 3 in 9 years, and Thad Matta has had 7 in 13 years. Note that these figures represent total record and not regular season, so BTT, NCAA and NIT games are included.
I am not! Somebody blows this class it will set us back, we need top players and we have them in the young players and the recruits. Nobody can tell me we wouldn't win big with Lucas, Smith and Frazier.
That's fine, like I said my opinion. I watch enough to see it's weak. Thanks.
More decent teams than ever, we have 13 decent teams, if Nebraska is the 13th best team in the league that's the best 13th place team the league has ever had, the top is obviously down
Mediocre, yes.
I share the same deep sincere Fear of Losing a top class -best we have had in several years and now over a possible coaching change conversation.
Coach Groce currently has this team playing well and his use of freshmen players is a bright spot to coaching.
I say Groce has earned a chance to coach the best recruiting class he has ever assembled next year. All that hard work is going to pay off trust me. No one out works John Groce you would be amazed how hard he works and cares.
That is called Leadership by example he brings a level of intensity to everything he does as a coach and his team is responding to that level of leadership.
I share the same deep sincere Fear of Losing a top class -best we have had in several years and now over a possible coaching change conversation.
Coach Groce currently has this team playing well and his use of freshmen players is a bright spot to coaching.
I say Groce has earned a chance to coach the best recruiting class he has ever assembled next year. All that hard work is going to pay off trust me. No one out works John Groce you would be amazed how hard he works and cares.
That is called Leadership by example he brings a level of intensity to everything he does as a coach and his team is responding to that level of leadership.
I absolutely agree and think he needs a chance to coach this group, finally some playmakers and we are on the upswing
I absolutely think we will win with these guys and Lucas and Nichols, Black, Finke, and JCL. That group would be the best combination of players we have had since Groce. Last 3 games have all been very impressive wins
we have a three game winning streak, which is nice, but lets not forget that steak consists of wins over Northwestern, iowa and Nebraska... not exactly murderers' row there. The body of work for this coach is substandard to what is expected.
Make the tournament? That should be enough to keep Gorce - that was THE determining factor.
Besides Groce has figured out that there is something called proper subbing. Which, I think, was the REAL issue all along.
Agreed. I think we have an ample sample size to see what he is as a coach right now. That's not to say that he can't learn and adjust to have success somewhere during his career.
IF next years team can play great D, from the very start, I think we do very well. The offense should come naturally.
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