The Illinois Coaching Search

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Did the Lovie hire get leaked before hand? If so, then how early before?

Trying to figure out if these rumors could actually mean something, or if they're just junk. Some people keep saying Whitman keeps things quiet.
 
#402      
None of these are happening!
Fred Hoiberg- Please!
Dana Altman- Makes no sense. Big contract
Gregg Marshall- Big contract
Tony Bennet- Why would he move laterally
Buzz Williams- See above
Andy Enfield- See above
Lon Kruger- Been there done that, see above
Bryce Drew- 1st year at school, see above
Kevin Ollie, big contract, see above
Matt McCall- Too low reach
I know we are legit top 25 program, but at this point the rest of the country doesn't always think this. You may argue with the list of lateral movements, but people outside believe they are on our level even though they aren't. Example Virginia Tech.
Look for the contract to be similar or less than Lovie's depending on experience.
My picks:
Kevin Keatts- if Miller goes to NCS He would really do well recruiting and he can coach.
Archie Miller- If Keatts goes to NCS
Monte Williams- If Whitman can work his magic
Some assistant coach out of the NBA. Have no idea who that would be.
Cuonzo Martin- If all the others do not come.

It can and has happened before that coaches make 'lateral' moves. Stallings did Vanderbilt to Pitt, Dixon did Pitt to TCU. Sometimes people want a change of scenery or a different challenge. You never know. You think Sean Miller enjoys having so much tumult in the athletic dept at Arizona? Not saying he is a candidate, but there could be cases like that across the country that we would never know about...
 
#403      
Did the Lovie hire get leaked before hand? If so, then how early before?

Trying to figure out if these rumors could actually mean something, or if they're just junk. Some people keep saying Whitman keeps things quiet.

Most were focused on Fleck I recall but I remember seeing Lovie rumors within hours of the Cubit firing announcement
 
#404      
Prohm would be a good hire IMO. Maybe not a game changing big name, but someone with a solid resume. He's making $1.5m/year until 2020 (plus some extras), so we could almost double it. Are we a better program than Iowa State? Historically, sure. But he came into a good situation there and has things rolling. Not sure he would jump ship two years in.

He has it rolling now, but they lose their entire team next year and will be rebuilding. Prohm's recruiting has been okay, but his ability to sustain what he's done with Hoiberg's guys at Iowa State is definitely questionable.

He should be seeking other offers in order to, at least, get some long-term security and commitment to the program out of the ISU administration.

That's the trick with seeking other P5 guys. They will always reciprocate your interest, and 80% of the time it's only to play you off their current employer for more money. If you make a bona fide offer, tweets that say "SOURCES: Coach X close to deal with Illinois" are a certainty, whereas actually landing the guy is a longshot.

This is an unfair game. Best of luck, Josh.
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
Did the Lovie hire get leaked before hand? If so, then how early before?

Trying to figure out if these rumors could actually mean something, or if they're just junk. Some people keep saying Whitman keeps things quiet.

I heard about Lovie on Saturday afternoon. So, right after the firing.
 
#408      

EJ33

San Francisco
None of these are happening!
Fred Hoiberg- Please!
Dana Altman- Makes no sense. Big contract
Gregg Marshall- Big contract
Tony Bennet- Why would he move laterally
Buzz Williams- See above
Andy Enfield- See above
Lon Kruger- Been there done that, see above
Bryce Drew- 1st year at school, see above
Kevin Ollie, big contract, see above
Matt McCall- Too low reach
I know we are legit top 25 program, but at this point the rest of the country doesn't always think this. You may argue with the list of lateral movements, but people outside believe they are on our level even though they aren't. Example Virginia Tech.
Look for the contract to be similar or less than Lovie's depending on experience.
My picks:
Kevin Keatts- if Miller goes to NCS He would really do well recruiting and he can coach.
Archie Miller- If Keatts goes to NCS
Monte Williams- If Whitman can work his magic
Some assistant coach out of the NBA. Have no idea who that would be.
Cuonzo Martin- If all the others do not come.

People tend to overestimate the impact of money (either as an obstacle or a recruiting tool) and underestimate the value of fit. I think Whitman was pretty clear about that yesterday. Money is important, but it's never been the primary obstacle for Illinois.
 
#409      
Did the Lovie hire get leaked before hand? If so, then how early before?

Trying to figure out if these rumors could actually mean something, or if they're just junk. Some people keep saying Whitman keeps things quiet.

Lovie was in hand before Cubit was fired. Whitman was as clear about that as he could reasonably be at the Cubit firing press conference, that "this was happening for a reason".

There is not a coach in hand now, and there is going to be a search process going forward. Whitman was also clear about that.
 
#410      

KrushCow31

Former Krush Cow
Chicago, IL
None of these are happening!
Fred Hoiberg- Please!
Dana Altman- Makes no sense. Big contract
Gregg Marshall- Big contract
Tony Bennet- Why would he move laterally
Buzz Williams- See above
Andy Enfield- See above
Lon Kruger- Been there done that, see above
Bryce Drew- 1st year at school, see above
Kevin Ollie, big contract, see above
Matt McCall- Too low reach

I 100% agree with this except Marshall. He's made it pretty clear he would consider leaving and I don't think big contract is a problem. I also laugh any time people suggest Bennet would come here from Virginia.
 
#411      
One of the really impressive things about Whitman is that he not a one-trick-pony. The volleyball hire was a completely different direction than the football hire. The thing they have in common is that they both were creative - and hopefully both will be great. I can't wait to hear who our Coach will be.
 
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GallopingGhost

Denver, CO
My .02

Archie Miller- would be great get. Could do a lot and has midwest ties. I love his energy

Keatts- intriguing, but I'd like to see just one or two more years of UNCW success before classifying him as as "home run". Could just be talented seniors.

Hoiberg- nope. He is not leaving Bulls and coming to a new P5 school. Not happening.

Donovan- that'd be amazing but also no way.

Greg Marshall- can't see him leaving his good gig to come here. Possible though.
 
#413      
I heard a rumor yesterday from my father-in-law that it's Cuonzo. He heard it from a longtime friend that is on a coaching staff in the WCC, and said that his staff will be at Cal next year, supposedly it's all but official. I've met the coach but haven't talked to him in a couple of years. The guy is super well connected in coaching circles, he knows virtually everybody. I've seen his phone contact list, and it was impressive.

Honestly I'm not sure how much stock I put in it considering the guy has been known to stretch the truth before. I also don't think his head coach has done enough to get hired at Cal, but I could be wrong.


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GallopingGhost

Denver, CO
None of these are happening!
Fred Hoiberg- Please!
Dana Altman- Makes no sense. Big contract
Gregg Marshall- Big contract
Tony Bennet- Why would he move laterally
Buzz Williams- See above
Andy Enfield- See above
Lon Kruger- Been there done that, see above
Bryce Drew- 1st year at school, see above
Kevin Ollie, big contract, see above
Matt McCall- Too low reach
I know we are legit top 25 program, but at this point the rest of the country doesn't always think this. You may argue with the list of lateral movements, but people outside believe they are on our level even though they aren't.




Best part of section.....Billy Donovan isn't on it. ;)

We aren't a top 25 program and haven't been for 10 years. If you're talking bout top 25 POTENTIAL, then yeah we have it, but so does every P5 school with the right coach.
 
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#415      
One of the really impressive things about Whitman is that he not a one-trick-pony. The volleyball hire was a completely different direction than the football hire. The thing they have in common is that they both were creative - and hopefully both will be great. I can't wait to hear who our Coach will be.

Seems like the volleyball guy is a fine hire, but I wouldn't exactly describe a top assistant at the national championship powerhouse in your own conference as "creative".

In any event, revenue sports are a different animal. Lovie is the only data point, and under circumstances that are totally unique and un-comparable.

This process is when we're going to see what Whitman is actually made of in the Russian Roulette of coaching searches.
 
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MrOizo

Chicago
None of these are happening!
Fred Hoiberg- Please!
Dana Altman- Makes no sense. Big contract
Gregg Marshall- Big contract
Tony Bennet- Why would he move laterally
Buzz Williams- See above
Andy Enfield- See above
Lon Kruger- Been there done that, see above
Bryce Drew- 1st year at school, see above
Kevin Ollie, big contract, see above
Matt McCall- Too low reach
I know we are legit top 25 program, but at this point the rest of the country doesn't always think this. You may argue with the list of lateral movements, but people outside believe they are on our level even though they aren't. Example Virginia Tech.
Look for the contract to be similar or less than Lovie's depending on experience.
My picks:
Kevin Keatts- if Miller goes to NCS He would really do well recruiting and he can coach.
Archie Miller- If Keatts goes to NCS
Monte Williams- If Whitman can work his magic
Some assistant coach out of the NBA. Have no idea who that would be.
Cuonzo Martin- If all the others do not come.

Great post! Thank you. It's annoying to dream too big of dreams. As you say, those options are not worth wasting time on.
 
#417      
Sometimes this flight tracking gets to be too much grasping at straws. People fly to other regional cities from a regional airport. A flight to or from Nashville means someone is flying. But it doesn't mean Bryce Drew is leaving Vandy after a year to come here.

There's too many flights into and out of any airport -- you can find a plane to or from just about anywhere.

Look, there's a flight to Durham NC! OMG!! We're getting Krzyzewski!!!

Unless you can tell us something about the plane (it's owned by the University, or a big booster maybe) it don't mean squat.
 
#418      
Can you expand? Winning isn't a good fit?

Never understood people saying that about Marshall. He may be a little brash and arrogant, but we had the nice, perfect-for-community, devout christian types in Weber and Groce and look where that got us.

Winning at mid-major is not what defines "fit." Many successful coaches won at mid-major and failed in a bigger stage. It also does not mean that a successful mid-major coach can do it with less talent. People often say, look at Coach XYZ (e.g., Marshall and others) he does not need 5* at Wichita State, etc. That comparison leads to faulty conclusions, because at mid-majors, you still need talent, but need talent compared to the other teams you regularly play in your conference.

There are some mid-major programs that have elevated themselves over the years to the point that they do get good talent, better comparative talent, at that level. Some examples are Wichita State, VCU, Butler, Gonzaga, etc. I think coaches at those schools get the benefit of some of the work of their predecessors over the years (a commonality in the examples given above), but does not mean that they are bad coaches themselves.

I have no problem with a coach being a little arrogant, you need confidence and personality, without going to extremes, of course. I have no problem with that aspect, but Marshall is more of an introvert and that's his reputation in AAU circles. I do not believe he has the personality to be a dynamic recruiter at Illinois and deal with the powerful HS and AAU programs.

Yet, I think Marshall can be successful at P5, but more in a bigger name school, where the school reputation can give him an added boost in recruiting. That is not Illinois right now. Not a good "fit" IMO.
 
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GallopingGhost

Denver, CO
I heard a rumor yesterday from my father-in-law that it's Cuonzo. He heard it from a longtime friend that is on a coaching staff in the WCC, and said that his staff will be at Cal next year, supposedly it's all but official. I've met the coach but haven't talked to him in a couple of years. The guy is super well connected in coaching circles, he knows virtually everybody. I've seen his phone contact list, and it was impressive.

Honestly I'm not sure how much stock I put in it considering the guy has been known to stretch the truth before. I also don't think his head coach has done enough to get hired at Cal, but I could be wrong.


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Not excited about Cuonzo if this is the case. Not at all. That would leave us really flat and probably about the same off as before.
 
#420      

foby

Bonnaroo Land
Great post! Thank you. It's annoying to dream too big of dreams. As you say, those options are not worth wasting time on.

Thanks Mr Gottlieb. We are Illinois and should know our place.
 
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MrOizo

Chicago
My .02
Archie Miller- would be great get. Could do a lot and has midwest ties. I love his energy
Keatts- intriguing, but I'd like to see just one or two more years of UNCW success before classifying him as as "home run". Could just be talented seniors.
Hoiberg- nope. He is not leaving Bulls and coming to a new P5 school. Not happening.
Donovan- that'd be amazing but also no way.
Greg Marshall- can't see him leaving his good gig to come here. Possible though.
This seems to be the consensus. No mention of Cuonzo Martin, we have to admit that he's in the mix and is a potential choice. In the end, each of these guys could surprise us, positively or negatively. Clearly, Marshall followed by Archie predict the most likely positive outcome. Keatts has upside without adequate experience to predict much, Cuonzo has experience with both good and bad in there.

My only hope is that it's done within a week. Looking forward to new names, rumors, and tidbits along the way...
 
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MrOizo

Chicago
Thanks Mr Gottlieb. We are Illinois and should know our place.

Hey, just my .02. Marshall and Archie are dreaming big. Anything beyond that and it's fantasy. I would rather not entertain fantasies. I would be fine with Whitman shocking me with such big names, but won't allow hope to creep in as the probability is so low.
 
#424      
Not excited about Cuonzo if this is the case. Not at all. That would leave us really flat and probably about the same off as before.

Agree 100% In my opinion if it is Cuonzo all we are doing is trading one recruiter for another. I want a head coach. After all the talk of opening up the checkbook, the competitive environment, hidden interest by an established p5 coach, and maybe most important the direction Cal was heading at the end of the year, this would be disappointing.
 
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MrOizo

Chicago
Do we? Is he?
Sure, I can't imagine that he won't be talked to in the search. It makes too much sense that a former Big 10 player and assistant with strong STL ties would not get a look as part of the search.

To play devil's advocate, perhaps he's #5 on the list and we get strong enough interest from #3 and stop there. However, I doubt it is a fast enough decision for our higher candidates to prevent us from talking to others to make sure we have Plans A-D in the works.
 
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