The Illinois Coaching Search

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#726      
Uhhh, it was absolutely a public rejection.

It's good that there's a double standard for MT and JW, because people were utterly ridiculous about MT in a counterproductive fashion whereas the halo around JW can only help, but man alive is there a double standard.

Those situations aren't comparable though. Stevens and Smart both issued press releases turning down Illinois. This is more comparable to Anthony Grant. The Tribune reported he turned us down last time but no one remembers that because it didn't come from him directly.
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
The choice for Marshall is not Illinois vs Wichita St. It is Illinois vs the many great jobs that will open in the next 5-10 years. At his age, why try and rebuild a truly broken program when he could walk right into other schools that have a better pedigree and/or a more solid recent history? IU, UNC, and even Kentucky will hire new coaches in the next 5-7 years. Worth the wait for Marshall.

I think this is a great job for a certain type of candidate. Marshall ain't that guy, imo.

I think the program is in better shape than you describe. The team has talent, just needs someone that can whip them in shape. Also, if he were to win in Champaign, he would get more recognition.
 
#730      
If it has been mentioned, then I missed it. But, is it possible that the Monty "rejection" was a publicity stunt to make it known to the coaching community that Illinois is willing to spend big on the right coach? The timing just seems strange to me, given that the search was only officially an hour old.
The report came from Woj, who is an NBA guy. Odds are he's getting his information from Monty's camp
 
#731      
All this talk of NBA coaches leads me to a good trivia question:

There are three colleges that currently have a former NFL head coach as their head football coach and a former NBA head coach as their head basketball coach. Name them.
 
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bredhartmann

Centralia, IL
All this talk of NBA coaches leads me to a good trivia question:

There are two colleges that have a former NFL head coach as their head football coach and a former NBA head coach as their basketball coach. Name them.

Saban and Avery at Bama. Give me a second on the other.
 
#733      
All this talk of NBA coaches leads me to a good trivia question:

There are three colleges that currently have a former NFL head coach as their head football coach and a former NBA head coach as their head basketball coach. Name them.

Alabama is one
 
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illynifan34

That's a winner!!
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All this talk of NBA coaches leads me to a good trivia question:

There are three colleges that currently have a former NFL head coach as their head football coach and a former NBA head coach as their head basketball coach. Name them.

Bama, Louisville,
 
#741      
People are reading too much on whether Monty turned us down or not, whether it was public or private, etc.

At the end of the day, it is the same as recruiting. It does not matter who you miss on, it matters who you end up with. Bill Self missed on a lot of guys.
 
#742      
If it has been mentioned, then I missed it. But, is it possible that the Monty "rejection" was a publicity stunt to make it known to the coaching community that Illinois is willing to spend big on the right coach? The timing just seems strange to me, given that the search was only officially an hour old.

I agree that it was meant to generate publicity. Just think you have the relationship backwards. It's publicity for Monty saying I'm ready for an NBA job and I'm desirable, look what Illinois offered me.
 
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IlliniTarHeel

Topsail, NC
What happens if the coach we are going to hire loses this weekend in the NCAA tourney and we keep winning in the NIT. Do we announce the hire but he can't coach until this season is officially over? Could be an interesting situation.
 
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I agree that it was meant to generate publicity. Just think you have the relationship backwards. It's publicity for Monty saying I'm ready for an NBA job and I'm desirable, look what Illinois offered me.

These tweets on Monty do not even register on the national scale of publicity.
 
#745      
What happens if the coach we are going to hire loses this weekend in the NCAA tourney and we keep winning in the NIT. Do we announce the hire but he can't coach until this season is officially over? Could be an interesting situation.

Not an issue. The new coach will start recruiting, and we'll finish the season under Walker. Having the new guy there in New York to cheer on our guys from the stands would be pretty ideal, all things considered.

That happens in football sometimes, where an interim coach coaches a bowl game while a newly hired guy is out there recruiting.
 
#746      

mattcoldagelli

The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
But other than his time with the Bulls, all his connections are out west. I don't see any reason that he would be a logical candidate here.

Guys, we can't have it both ways - either the job is really attractive based on its merits, or someone needs to be yearning to have more cornfields in their life to come coach here.

This board routinely (and - mostly - rightly) talks about the perks of our job that would be appealing to anyone interested in being successful at coaching college basketball. Then we look at anyone suggesting someone from another region of the country like they have lobsters crawling out of their ears.
 
#747      
These tweets on Monty do not even register on the national scale of publicity.

Eh, everybody in the NBA world follows Woj. That's the audience.

Whitman asked, Monty politely declined, Monty and his agent wanted the world to know how marketable he was, and because they're decent, reasonable people they waited until the Groce firing was official to release the news through Woj.

Now, only waiting like 3 1/2 seconds after Groce was officially canned kinda ruins the desired effect about plausible deniability that no contact occurred while Groce was still employed, but whatever.
 
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mattcoldagelli

The Transfer Portal with Do Not Contact Tag
These tweets on Monty do not even register on the national scale of publicity.

By his theory, they wouldn't need to - they'd just need to register with people in NBA circles.

Which it would.
 
#749      
I agree that it was meant to generate publicity. Just think you have the relationship backwards. It's publicity for Monty saying I'm ready for an NBA job and I'm desirable, look what Illinois offered me.

Meh, wording worked out pretty good for UI, I'd say!

"Illinois WAS PREPARED to make Monty a top ten paid coach," right? (Or something like that?) Sends a message.
 
#750      
Both Martin and Krystowiak's teams were better last year than they were this year, in terms of record.

2011–12 Utah 6–25 3–15 11th
2012–13 Utah 15–18 5–13 10th
2013–14 Utah 21–12 9–9 T–8th NIT First Round
2014–15 Utah 26–9 13–5 T–2nd NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2015–16 Utah 27–9 13–5 2nd NCAA Second Round
2016–17 Utah 20-11 11-7 NIT

2014–15 California 18–15 7–11 T–8th
2015–16 California 23–11 12–6 T–3rd NCAA First Round
2016–17 California 21–12 10–8 5th NIT

Then here's Kevin Keatts

2014–15 UNC Wilmington 18–14 12–6 T–1st CIT First Round
2015–16 UNC Wilmington 25–8 14–4 T–1st NCAA First Round
2016–17 UNC Wilmington 29–5 15–3 1st NCAA

To me, all 3 of these guys are fallback options, and I know that a down year in the middle of a nice few years isn't the biggest concern but I would prefer hiring the guy whose team is currently on the rise if we have to settle on one of these "unproven" guys.
 
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