Jankovich is living off Larry Brown's recruits, he was a nothing at Illinois State
151-127 at North Texas and Illinois State that's permanent mediocrity.
Jankovich is living off Larry Brown's recruits, he was a nothing at Illinois State
Nope. But I was being generous because S&C seems to highly regard him. And S&C is kind of the unofficial king of this thread.
But Purdue, Wisconsin, Michigan, Mich State, Maryland, presumably Indiana, North-freaking-western, and possibly Minnesota are ahead of us in coaches who win games.
But if both are mediocre coaches, how long will each coach last? I've never understood how players continue to commit to these coaches after it is well established that they are not the greatest at actually winning games. Get a coach who can win here and in a few years we probably won't have to worry about Martin and/or Ford.
Tom Izzo .713
Greg Gard .702
Matt Painter .652
Mark Turgeon .631
John Beilein .614
Cuonzo Martin .606
Chris Collins .553
Richard Pitino .551
You are partially right.
Yup, but I don't want him. I'm on the Keatts Train, don't you know, Holy Roller?
Finishing top six in the SEC is easier than the BIG in my opinion. I also think Collins is a sure bet to finish above Martin on this list for his career (though probably at Duke). Pitino was definitely an unsure bet on the future.
Winning helps recruiting, but good recruiters continue to pull talent for some time, even in other jobs. Travis Ford was in the hot seat, yet he pulled Jawun Evans. He got fired, with all the bad reputation that you talk about, and he just landed Goodwin and Carte'Are Gordon. You say Cuonzo is mediocre, but he is likely to land the top recruit in the nation. Even Groce, who IMO did not get great recruiting results, still pulled his best recruiting class on his way out.
If your assumption is that we can consistently win in the B1G in the next 3-4 years without significantly upgrading our talent, and that both Cuonzo and Ford will do terribly at their schools, and their recruiting prowess will stop and recruits will just divert to our program, I think you are making too many assumptions that are highly suspect.
If a coach can win consistently and compete in the B1G in the next few years while losing recruiting battles, then there is no worry whatsoever, even if Cuonzo/Ford succeed and continue to get recruits. It would mean that we have discovered the secret recipe of winning consistently in the B1G without much dependency on recruiting. Personally, I do not think that is likely to happen. I think we need a serious upgrade in talent to achieve that outcome, and we need a dynamic recruiter at the helm. JMO.
My thing is, Mizzou hiring Martin changes nothing for Illinois. Regardless of who Mizzou hired, we were going to need to land a dynamic recruiter to achieve sustained success. Recruiting intensity has always been very high; Martin and Ford don't change that. If Martin and Ford aren't competing with Illinois for recruits in the area, at least 10 other coaches will be.
Winning helps recruiting, but good recruiters continue to pull talent for some time, even in other jobs. Travis Ford was in the hot seat, yet he pulled Jawun Evans. He got fired, with all the bad reputation that you talk about, and he just landed Goodwin and Carte'Are Gordon. You say Cuonzo is mediocre, but he is likely to land the top recruit in the nation. Even Groce, who IMO did not get great recruiting results, still pulled his best recruiting class on his way out.
If your assumption is that we can consistently win in the B1G in the next 3-4 years without significantly upgrading our talent, and that both Cuonzo and Ford will do terribly at their schools, and their recruiting prowess will stop and recruits will just divert to our program, I think you are making too many assumptions that are highly suspect.
If a coach can win consistently and compete in the B1G in the next few years while losing recruiting battles, then there is no worry whatsoever, even if Cuonzo/Ford succeed and continue to get recruits. It would mean that we have discovered the secret recipe of winning consistently in the B1G without much dependency on recruiting. Personally, I do not think that is likely to happen. I think we need a serious upgrade in talent to achieve that outcome, and we need a dynamic recruiter at the helm. JMO.
Before Mizzou hired CM, the common opinion on this thread was "We don't want Cuanzo! Good recruiter, terrible coach. Mizzou can have him."
Now that Mizzou got him everybody is freaking out that we need a recruiter to compete with Cuanzo lol. We can't have it both ways.
I trust that JW could've had Martin if he wanted him (which I doubt) and that he will find a coach that we can all support.
I'm sure something like this has been said, but I felt the need to say it again anyways.
Have a bet with a couple of IU fans. Have to give 3 names for UI job and 3 names for IU job over the weekend. Who would be in your top three most likely for each job?
My thought so far UI-BDrew, Keats, Capel. IU-Marshal, Alford, ?.
Any suggestions?
The discussion on Kendall Gill's mentioning of Sam Mitchell's interest in the job was fairly brief. Why is this board so opposed to Mitchell?
Respect you and your posts, but I don't think anyone is saying "we don't need a coach who can recruit". It seems that one side is saying "Cuonzo was not and still is not a top choice for us (noting that Cuonzo likely wouldn't have pulled Porter to UI)". And somehow the other side is saying "now what - Cuonzo went to a nearby school, whatever shall we do???"
It isn't that at all. Cuonzo was the safe high floor guy. He would have recruited. We all trusted that.
It isn't that at all. Cuonzo was the safe high floor guy. He would have recruited. We all trusted that. Now we are in the unknown. Not whatever shall we do without him, but what will we do if the hire is less than inspiring. Like last time.
We passed on safe, we better get really good
It isn't that at all. Cuonzo was the safe high floor guy. He would have recruited. We all trusted that. Now we are in the unknown. Not whatever shall we do without him, but what will we do if the hire is less than inspiring. Like last time.
We passed on safe, we better get really good
Not that anyone cares, but I still am glad we didn't pick Martin And Missouri certainly doesn't change that.