Also, more worried about Antigua.
Also, more worried about Antigua.
Not at all! It's people taking bribes at Federally funded public institutions, wire fraud, SEC rules, etc. etc....
This is definitely NOT the FBI acting as NCAA enforcer.
And here is Pat Forde agreeing on a Louisville death penalty.
Wonder if Courtney Ramey's recruitment will open back up at some point
Not a valid question. What is leading to these indictments is pretty clearly not in a grey area. It's expressly forbidden.
The federal funding gets this into federal court. But, in a roundabout way, the NCAA rules probably partially inform whether there was the requisite "corrupt" intent to bring the charges in the first place.
What can you say, BU has to make some statement, this doesn't help when your close to closing recruitment process. Wait and see.opcorn::violin:
10 people just got arrested, you think they might be willing to cooperate with the investigation to reduce their sentences? Maybe name some other names, provide some additional evidence? This thing is just starting.
Yeah, I'm not necessarily worried about Illinois just yet.
But a long, long way to go.
You people honestly think this investigation only happened on at the snap of a finger. This investigation probably went on for a long time. If BU was involved at all he would have been already named. If anything the only bad thing that is happening is association by name and you people freaking out.
The wrongest take.
Congrats.
Why in the world would Underwood make a public statement? Unless he's implicated somehow there is no reason to address it and certainly not publicly. :tsk:
Interestingly, this isn't the NCAA uncovering cheating. If I understand this correctly (and I may not), it's the feds using the NCAA rules against taking money, to criminalize arrangements that would otherwise be legal.
I'd be surprised if Simmons opened back up. He's a one-and-done type, and when Louisville (hopefully) gets the death penalty, he will be in the NBA.
...and they have only gone after the people they had enough evidence for...e.g. wiretaps...and most likely had air tight cases against. That by no means insinuates that they don't have suspicion of wrongdoing or even some (but not enough) evidence that others are involved. Now that they have some coaches in a bind, it's logical to assume they could be trying to get the rest of the evidence they need. This is not a stretch, folks. I'm not an attorney, but from what I've seen in my work (and speaking with attorneys), this is how these investigations routinely proceed.
Couple that with the fact that Evans is from the same coaching tree as BU, and that also raises some flags. not to mention that fact that BU hired another assistant to replace Evans who himself has a checkered past (his history at USF)....
Oh, and as has been mentioned before, the NCAA doesn't need nearly the burden of proof that the DOJ does to make BU's life miserable....if you think the chances of this being a meaningful issue for us are significantly >0 you're being straight up naive.
I'm not trying to be an alarmist. I think it's a positive that BU wasn't directly implicated...and that helps our chances. But by no means are we out of the woods. And i don't need a flame to come up and burn my !!! to know that where there's smoke - there's fire.
It does not often work that way. More typically, the prosecutor tells the little fish he is about to be indicted, and that if he wants to avoid same, he needs to give up information on a bigger fish. The little fish talks to avoid being charged.
That did not happen here. Further, the nature of the Evans violation makes it unlikely he could give up BU even if he wanted to. He got $2,500 to steer Jawun to an agent. Are we to assume he agreed to split that w/ BU?
Now, were we talking about a recruit getting $100,000 to enroll at a school in Kentucky, it might be a different matter. That assistant might very well be able to provide info on his head coach that would save his own tail. You will note that no assistant in Kentucky has been charged.
Yet.
You bring up a good point and question for those who know. Question: I don't recall, but had there ever been a basketball death penalty? Additionally, with Louisville's recent history, it would seem that this might be possible. I reckon it might depend on what else the investigation reveals.
So he will say nothing publicly, I think someone would have to say something about his lack of involvement. Can't see how nothing can be said. It's not just going to go away.
Guess maybe being innocent, you keep your mouth shut?
The agent stated in the presser that the NCAA had nothing to do with this investigation. NCAA rules have zero to do with Federal law. The agent also stated the investigation was initiated by the arrest of an individual who had been convicted of violating SEC rules previously. That individual agreed to become an informant. Obviously this person was one of the 'middle men', one of the financial managers.
Absolutely you keep your mouth shut. You don't insert yourself publicly into a situation like this whether you are secretly guilty or not. If you haven't been named, you keep your head down and go about your business. If there starts to be public rumblings about you, then sure, defend yourself, but don't insert yourself artificially into the story.
I'm generally of the opinion that we get out of this relatively unscathed. However, what has me a little worried is that its a common FBI tactic to indict lower level targets simply for the purpose of pressuring them into giving testimony or divulging incriminating information about the higher level targets, their bosses, and then cutting them a nice deal. If this is the case here, that means they already have reason to suspect BU (or Frank Martin) of being dirty and are just looking for Evans to provide the final nail in the coffin.
Again, I think we're fine. This is just worse case scenario doomsday stuff.
I see your logic, but I'm a get out in front of it guy, there will be fingers pointed, hopefully they don't point at BU.