FBI College Basketball Corruption Investigation

Status
Not open for further replies.
#1,476      
I seriously doubt the NBA will change it's rules on the draft, as they have a really good system in place from their point of view. They want to keep costs / salaries low, which the current rules do pretty well.

They do not want to pay for potential. The one and done rule gives them power as it causes a lot of players to do a year of college. Players on average develop more maturity, and also have to prove themselves further before getting drafted than they would otherwise. It also gives them a discount bin, so to speak for players who get injured. Once drafted, they play for below market salaries before eventually hitting a payday based on their market value.

So I don't see the NBA changing. If anything, they would want a 2 and done model to increase their benefits. That means there will be valuable players in college, which means a black market. And it will be around as long as college tries to maintain it's cost model.

Well, changing to a 2 year min. if you go to college would only help the NBA. The Bagleys of the world could go direct and not hurt them much.
 
#1,477      
I don't recall stating that I know more than the FBI or the US Attorney. They have their evidence, and plenty of it I'm sure.

I said everyone knows the game. I didn't say everyone plays it the same way. There are filthy dirty programs and coaches, there are dirty, somewhat dirty and fairly clean programs as well.

Everyone knows who is cheating, exactly how and how bad are details not available to everyone.

College BB and FB are a cesspool of corruption and cheating and this investigation might be step 1 in cleaning it up if the FBI has the goods on a lot of coaches. Let's wait and see.

The indictment on Evans, and other assistants, specifically said that head coaches were deliberately being kept in the dark about this scheme they ran, which is directly the opposite of your statement that head coaches know everything that goes on in their programs.
 
#1,478      
The indictment on Evans, and other assistants, specifically said that head coaches were deliberately being kept in the dark about this scheme they ran, which is directly the opposite of your statement that head coaches know everything that goes on in their programs.

I'm a born cynic. You are not. We are both free to believe what we want. As for me there is some high quality swamp land for sale somewhere for anyone that believes head coaches didn't know about this.
 
#1,479      
I'm a born cynic. You are not. We are both free to believe what we want. As for me there is some high quality swamp land for sale somewhere for anyone that believes head coaches didn't know about this.
I hear most in Wash DC don't believe HCs know....guess they already bought their swamp land
 
#1,480      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-sp...-hoops-corruption-case-001618078.html?src=rss

There are spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay,” said a source familiar with the investigation. “The feds got everything they wanted and much more. Don’t think it will only be players who ended up signing with ASM that got paid. Those spreadsheets cast a wide net throughout college basketball. If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”
 
#1,482      
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-sp...-hoops-corruption-case-001618078.html?src=rss

There are spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay,” said a source familiar with the investigation. “The feds got everything they wanted and much more. Don’t think it will only be players who ended up signing with ASM that got paid. Those spreadsheets cast a wide net throughout college basketball. If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.

Illinois had 7 NBA draft picks in 5 years from 2002-2006 and has had 1 NBA draft pick in the 11 years since. (And probably safe to say, 2018 will make that 1 in 12 years.)

If we've been cheating, we've been doing a really crappy job of it.
 
#1,483      

I Bomb

Stylin' and Profilin'
Haney's comments are interesting - not a surprise, but sounds like "bosses" are getting ready to be thrown under the bus...
 
#1,484      
I hear most in Wash DC don't believe HCs know....guess they already bought their swamp land

There is a big difference between thinking head coaches knew what was going on and being able to prove it. These head coaches have huge incentive to appear clean and never be directly involved with any of this stuff. Let the assistants who are trying to climb the ladder get dirty. If I’m making $70k a year and watching the head coach hammer his $200k monthly checks I’m gonna be pretty tempted to do whatever it takes to get my shot. I’m sure the head coaches knew on various levels what was going on. Most all of them wouldn’t be stupid enough to leave any trail.
 
#1,485      

whatahack

St. Peters MO
Please please please let Bruce Pearl get crushed by this. Every time I see his dumb head bobbing around the court while his team is ranked I throw something.

I root for every single team that plays Auburn...no matter who it is.

+INFINITY
 
#1,486      
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-sp...-hoops-corruption-case-001618078.html?src=rss

There are spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay,” said a source familiar with the investigation. “The feds got everything they wanted and much more. Don’t think it will only be players who ended up signing with ASM that got paid. Those spreadsheets cast a wide net throughout college basketball. If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”

My guess is that the FBI's involvement in this case closely coincides with their investigation of the endowment fraud at Louisville. I think Dr. James Ramsey, some members of Louisville's Board of Trustees, and other assorted administrators, including Tom Jurich and Mark Jurich, embezzled a portion of the Yum! Center's initial bond offering for their own personal use.

I also believe that the internal auditors at Louisville contacted the authorities when they realized that the audit committee, a.k.a. the Board of Trustees, were complicit in committing the fraud and were not trustworthy. The FBI were called upon to conduct an investigation, snagged Tom Jurich, among others, and used him and his contacts at Adidas to conduct a sting operation with regards to the bribery scandal.
 
#1,487      
Illinois had 7 NBA draft picks in 5 years from 2002-2006 and has had 1 NBA draft pick in the 11 years since. (And probably safe to say, 2018 will make that 1 in 12 years.)

If we've been cheating, we've been doing a really crappy job of it.

:thumb::thumb::thumb:
:chief:
 
#1,488      
There is a big difference between thinking head coaches knew what was going on and being able to prove it. These head coaches have huge incentive to appear clean and never be directly involved with any of this stuff. Let the assistants who are trying to climb the ladder get dirty. If I’m making $70k a year and watching the head coach hammer his $200k monthly checks I’m gonna be pretty tempted to do whatever it takes to get my shot. I’m sure the head coaches knew on various levels what was going on. Most all of them wouldn’t be stupid enough to leave any trail.

While I agree with the bolded, I would counter that coaches didn't know the FBI was going to get involved. Remember, they have been working off a model for decades that they only need to fool the NCAA, which frankly, doesn't seem terribly difficult, and isn't very risky either, as it turns out. The FBI is a whole nother outfit both in terms of ability to catch and enforce the letter of the law, and the consequences.

I'm guessing there are coaches who really are clean. Then there are coaches who hired dirty assistants, but were careful to stay completely divorced from any of the inner-workings. Finally, there arecoaches who had varying degrees of collaboration, and varying degrees of distance from bribery. Those coaches are going to be at high risk, and they might even be willing to take plea deals and cooperation to nail others.

Side note: correct me if I'm wrong, but funneling booster money is not at issue in these FBI cases. Which means that some filthy programs might be fine, simply because they didn't engage in bribery with agents, but rather connected boosters to recruits. Maybe in this age that's uncommon, but I'll bet there are some.
 
#1,489      
There is a big difference between thinking head coaches knew what was going on and being able to prove it. These head coaches have huge incentive to appear clean and never be directly involved with any of this stuff. Let the assistants who are trying to climb the ladder get dirty. If I’m making $70k a year and watching the head coach hammer his $200k monthly checks I’m gonna be pretty tempted to do whatever it takes to get my shot. I’m sure the head coaches knew on various levels what was going on. Most all of them wouldn’t be stupid enough to leave any trail.

Why would a head coach making seven figures be interested in a $10-20,000 bribe to get his kids to an agent? Simply put, he wouldn't. Too little gain and the minimal gain risks the seven figure salary. (The above is also in the US Attorney's indictment, in so many words.)
 
#1,490      

Kostas

Naperville, IL
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-sp...-hoops-corruption-case-001618078.html?src=rss

There are spreadsheets detailing who got paid, how much they got paid and how much more they were planning to pay,” said a source familiar with the investigation. “The feds got everything they wanted and much more. Don’t think it will only be players who ended up signing with ASM that got paid. Those spreadsheets cast a wide net throughout college basketball. If your school produced a first-round pick in the past three years, be worried.”

Needless to say, bunch of spreadsheets probably got deleted and hard drives wiped after that agent was caught and story got out. I doubt we'll see another corruption case of this magnitude, and the methods many employ these days will make amassing further proof quite difficult.

Case in point: I was informed by someone close to one specific example that a former UK 5* PG was handed an ATM card by someone (wouldn't tell me if it was a booster, coach, or agent) and told that if he signed with UK he'd get the pin and it'd be loaded with ~$250k. Which tells me 2 things (1) the going rate for a 5* and (2) schools/coaches can keep their hands clean by having companies/boosters do their dirty work. Good luck catching that!
 
#1,491      
Has Cuonzo had any players drafted in the past 3 years? I know he has gotten some 5 star recruits...but not sure who all went drafted.

It would truly be something special if he got tagged in this whole thing.

Jalen Brown? Timeframe could be off.
 
#1,493      

ILFaninFL

Nature Coast in Florida
Michigan State and Maryland in the Big Ten. Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, USC, Alabama and more. :coffee:
 
#1,495      
#1,496      
As much as Michigan State has been winning on the court, they have been losing badly outside the lines
 
#1,500      

KrushCow31

Former Krush Cow
Chicago, IL
Sounds like they gave Bridges mom an advancement of $400? In the grand scheme of things, that's not much.

Also of note, Demetrius Jackson of Notre Dame is listed as having had lunch with the agents. Nothing that he has done that is listed yet is illegal though.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.