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Fred Van Vleet on the list for just over 1,000. That one surprised me.
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The espn take: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...n-reveals-basketball-powers-broken-ncaa-rules
At least six players were identified in the documents as receiving payments exceeding $10,000. They include Dallas Mavericks point guard Dennis Smith Jr., who received $73,500 in loans from ASM before he played for NC State; Brooklyn Nets shooting guard Isaiah Whitehead, who received more than $37,000 around the time he was a freshman at Seton Hall; and 2017 No. 1 NBA draft pick Markelle Fultz, who received $10,000.
Other teams with current or former players who allegedly received payments were South Carolina, Louisville, Utah, Xavier, Wichita State, Clemson and Alabama. Other players named include former LSU guard Tim Quarterman, former Maryland center Diamond Stone and former Kentucky center Edrice "Bam" Adebayo.
At least six players were identified in the documents as receiving payments exceeding $10,000. They include Dallas Mavericks point guard Dennis Smith Jr., who received $73,500 in loans from ASM before he played for NC State; Brooklyn Nets shooting guard Isaiah Whitehead, who received more than $37,000 around the time he was a freshman at Seton Hall; and 2017 No. 1 NBA draft pick Markelle Fultz, who received $10,000.
Other teams with current or former players who allegedly received payments were South Carolina, Louisville, Utah, Xavier, Wichita State, Clemson and Alabama. Other players named include former LSU guard Tim Quarterman, former Maryland center Diamond Stone and former Kentucky center Edrice "Bam" Adebayo.
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The sport we love has such a seedy underbelly. The closer I've gotten to recruiting over the years, the more obvious it's become: We need a hard reset.
$400 is like 80 little cesars hot and readys. So much pizza.
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I believe this is just what they have from only one agent's office. Probably a fair amount out there from other agents not included in this sting.
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The thing is......will this implicate any coaches?
I couldn't care less if Diamond Stone is retroactively declared ineligible forcing Maryland to forfeit those games. The real issue is whether the coaches or athletic departments (or boosters) were involved in any of this. If it's just a matter of a sports agency paying dudes, then coaches are going to play the "aww shucks, I had no idea" card.
Agree. But still feel that between the lawyers, the money & some sealed documents in exchange for this or that. Only a small percentage will take the wrap for all of this & nothing will change.
While I am generally an optimist. There are just too many dirty hands involved for a clean outcome.
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That's my fear as well, especially because the NCAA has no incentive to properly clean this up. Any work they do to expose what has been going on will only prove how negligent they've been for years (likely decades). Players, coaches, college programs, shoe companies, agents, and AAU programs all bear responsibility for allowing this to go on for so long.
My honest hope is that the FBI eventually charges the NCAA with the equivalent of "lack of institutional control".
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The bluebloods are paying upfront, too. It's naïve to think 17 year olds are waiting for their payday at Kentucky when another school is offering money upfront and also the pot at the end of 1 year long rainbow.
Quote from a sobbing coach Williams, "Gosh, golly. I didn't know that stuff was going on"
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Ha, that's exactly what came to my mind - the Deon money he got for pizza that ended up being the smoking gun for "lack of institutional control". Oh, those were the days.
The NCAA statement is already foreshadowing that they don't want to actually do anything about these specific offenders - they want to form committees to try to clean up the sport in general. Meaning the blue bloods will get away with this. Louisville was probably quick on the trigger in firing slick Rick. If they had waited until everyone else was caught doing the same thing, it wouldn't have looked so bad. Roy, Izzo, etc. are not all getting fired, that much we know.
Yep. No way a sanctioning body of this caliber has a clean house.
An analyst the other night rhetorically asked the question that if Louisville has to vacate their championship & pay back or give up certain dollars associated. Does the NCAA have to give up dollars they made off of their run
in television rights or even in just the simple things like purchasing licensed gear?
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Water is wet.
NCAA will give them all wrist slaps.
This kind of thing happens at every program with big time recruits. EVERY program.
And the overall numbers are even bigger in football, I'd bet.
NCAA will give them all wrist slaps.
This kind of thing happens at every program with big time recruits. EVERY program.
And the overall numbers are even bigger in football, I'd bet.
I think we demonize the NCAA, well, because they're the face of the member institutions. Key thought there, member institutions. They seldom want to take on themselves, because that's exactly what they would be doing. Would the rest of the membership like to see Louisville, and possibly the other blue bloods get whacked, and see the money come back directly, or indirectly to them? Sure . . . but they then have to be able to walk through their own glass walled house waiting for the first rock to come crashing through
There will be a lot of hand-wringing and gnashing of the teeth, but my crystal ball tells me the NCAA will continue to hide behind the skirts of the FBI investigation, and ignore the published evidence that shows that major violations have occurred. Committees will study and make recommendations, volumes will be published documenting the systemic failures . . . and nothing will be done.
You're not going to get it.
As others have stated, the NCAA has absolutely no incentive whatsoever to clean this up unless the Feds come after them or unless people start turning their TVs off.
Fans should be turning this crap off. Either some are cheating and others are not. In which case, it’s a rigged system and you might as well be watching pro wrestling. Or everyone is cheating, in which case you’re not watching basketball, but rather a competition between who’s the best cheater. Either way, what’s the draw?
Fans should be turning this crap off. Either some are cheating and others are not. In which case, it’s a rigged system and you might as well be watching pro wrestling. Or everyone is cheating, in which case you’re not watching basketball, but rather a competition between who’s the best cheater. Either way, what’s the draw?
The FBI has done more in a year vs. what the NCAA has ever done. I recall several senators outraged when the initial FBI report came out. Maybe Congress should drag NCAA leadership in for a special session and ridicule them publically for lack of discipline.
The only thing the NCAA really worries about is a couple of the P5 conferences seceding. It probably takes at least two to have a go of it, but once you get two to commit the others will have to take a hard look. This is not going to be motivated by stopping cheating, because the biggest cheaters are likely in this group. It is done for money, but the cheating could provide some PR cover. And indirectly, you can ask the question: what does the NCAA do with all their TV money if they don't ensure a fair playing field. If they don't provide this basic function, the conferences really ought to secede and they can allow cheating on their own just as easily as the NCAA does and eliminate the middle man.
Seriously, I might hope that peer P5 institutions could hold each other accountable to a higher degree. For example, I think Illinois would be more likely to hold MSU responsible than, say, Illinois St. Illinois St. would rarely be directly impacted by MSU cheating, and Illinois St. benefits from being associated with MSU through the NCAA and the brand recognition that MSU provides. Illinois is directly harmed by MSU cheating, and we are probably not likely to admit that MSU being good adds anything to our brand.
Seriously, I might hope that peer P5 institutions could hold each other accountable to a higher degree. For example, I think Illinois would be more likely to hold MSU responsible than, say, Illinois St. Illinois St. would rarely be directly impacted by MSU cheating, and Illinois St. benefits from being associated with MSU through the NCAA and the brand recognition that MSU provides. Illinois is directly harmed by MSU cheating, and we are probably not likely to admit that MSU being good adds anything to our brand.
Then I am as guilty... College basketball is all I have watched since Nov if am near a tv.
An epic case of the pot talking smack about the pot?
The system is RIGGED and the NCAA DOES know about it, always has. That's the part that bothers me.
Somebody's in trouble...
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