https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article213989524.htmlUK is the same way. Rupp Arena is terrible but the players are there at most a few hours a week.
The rich get richer.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/fayette-county/article213989524.htmlUK is the same way. Rupp Arena is terrible but the players are there at most a few hours a week.
Lots of know it alls here think their opinions are real. Reality can be observed in real time, or can be realized after the fact. Reality doesn't happen before the fact, except in movies. If they give no logical argument, provide no data from verified sources, it should be assumed to be bs, imo. Sometimes called flatulence, or gas. Something immature brains can not comprehend. I find it somewhat funny that the two most prolific posters on this board throw their stuff on the wall everyday, and people appear to suck it up. Apparently, you have to have this thing called wisdom to understand what Mr. Jordan had observed.
Not related to our recruiting, but Kevin Keats just reaped in a 5 start and is building a beast at NC State. S&C, I’m sure has some feeling about this.
I'm pretty sure we have had a renovation to the basketball facilities announced, haven't we? Did I imagine that?
Loved Egwu but he played a year under Weber.Groce didn't bring in Elite big men - but a lot of people under estimate how good Egwu was - he was a very serviceable B1G big man.
Regarding the turnover thing - i highly suggest reading Robert's post on Illiniboard titled Turnover U - it had some really good statistics in it.
He was beyond serviceable. Egwu was one of the best defensive centers we've ever had here, full stop.Groce didn't bring in Elite big men - but a lot of people under estimate how good Egwu was - he was a very serviceable B1G big man.
An optimist believes everything is/will be great, a pessimist believes everything is/will be bad. A realist would like to be an optimist but doubts it will work out.A realist seems to see the glass as half full and/or half empty, depending on their own personal agenda...
Meh....Yeah....I could be wrong (but I doubt it)....just feels like we are wasting our time with Q. I've coached long enough to know and understand the process but I still question what is the draw to the I double L for Q? My gut tells me we are a distant third.According to Verbal Commits Oregon doesn't have a scholarship available in 2018. Syracuse has 2 left. Guess O could Crean someone after semester but other wise Oregon out.
Cmon... I get we aren't a highly desirable and have many flaws, but if we have little draw for Q, then we have little draw for any player. I wont comment on whether we are third right now, but this isn't a recruit that has us vs. Kentucky+Duke+UNC. We have plenty to offer the kid, as a school and as a basketball team.Meh....Yeah....I could be wrong (but I doubt it)....just feels like we are wasting our time with Q. I've coached long enough to know and understand the process but I still question what is the draw to the I double L for Q? My gut tells me we are a distant third.
An optimist believes everything is/will be great, a pessimist believes everything is/will be bad. A realist would like to be an optimist but doubts it will work out.
As a lurker / reader of this message board for years, it is clear to me that certain message board personalities to a great extent dominate this board and serve to form the perception of readers of this board. With that in mind, I'd like to offer a concise alternative perspective that is more in line with how our society truly functions. This perspective requires one to tear apart the current framework under which our respective minds have been molded to accept or deny information. As one of the unwashed masses, we are indoctrinated in this system to believe that good always wins. They want us to believe in others and to expect our fellow man to act in such a way that is scrupulous. Along that line of thinking, perhaps some of you who speak of facilities and other aspects of recruiting should consider the things that likely do not readily enter into your mind as you carry out your life in a relatively honorable manner when compared to those in the world of college basketball where money flows freely and abundantly. Eviscerate the naivety that has been inculcated into our minds. Just as politics has a public face and a private face so too does college basketball. To cut this short, it seems to me that many on this board are looking at are deficiencies in basketball through an inadequate lens.
I don't disagree with you on the school aspect, but these kids don't look at it that way. What is the draw...compared to Oregon and Cuse = recent tournament history, W's & L's, even uni's and shoes (Ducks), and coaching. Feedback from players I coach. (current and former - yes, including Chasson)Cmon... I get we aren't a highly desirable and have many flaws, but if we have little draw for Q, then we have little draw for any player. I wont comment on whether we are third right now, but this isn't a recruit that has us vs. Kentucky+Duke+UNC. We have plenty to offer the kid, as a school and as a basketball team.
If that really was the case, then enlighten me as to why Ayo or Jones or Kane or etc. chose us over other schools? Once you do, apply that to Q. Those are the reasons why we have draw.
As a lurker / reader of this message board for years, it is clear to me that certain message board personalities to a great extent dominate this board and serve to form the perception of readers of this board. With that in mind, I'd like to offer a concise alternative perspective that is more in line with how our society truly functions. This perspective requires one to tear apart the current framework under which our respective minds have been molded to accept or deny information. As one of the unwashed masses, we are indoctrinated in this system to believe that good always wins. They want us to believe in others and to expect our fellow man to act in such a way that is scrupulous. Along that line of thinking, perhaps some of you who speak of facilities and other aspects of recruiting should consider the things that likely do not readily enter into your mind as you carry out your life in a relatively honorable manner when compared to those in the world of college basketball where money flows freely and abundantly. Eviscerate the naivety that has been inculcated into our minds. Just as politics has a public face and a private face so too does college basketball. To cut this short, it seems to me that many on this board are looking at are deficiencies in basketball through an inadequate lens.
That's some good old-fashioned word soup right there. I especially like the part where you said you'd offer a concise perspective and proceeded offer up this florid paragraph.
Look, I don't think any of us are pretending that there isn't some shady stuff going on around the world of college basketball. Shoot, there is an entire FBI investigation about it. That said, there seem to be plenty of programs who are doing things more or less in a fair way and still finding success. Given that I think most of us would prefer that our program stay clean, all of our prognosticating is largely geared toward how we lift ourselves out of this mire without using the bags of cash approach. This means maximizing our appeal to top recruits who aren't looking for a payment through good coaching, player development, top notch facilities, and (hopefully) winning.
Not related to our recruiting, but Kevin Keats just reaped in a 5 start and is building a beast at NC State. S&C, I’m sure has some feeling about this.
Look, I don't think any of us are pretending that there isn't some shady stuff going on around the world of college basketball. Shoot, there is an entire FBI investigation about it. That said, there seem to be plenty of programs who are doing things more or less in a fair way and still finding success.
The actual truth is that everybody is cheating, Illinois included. Some schools are better at it than others, and it's not always a question of how much you're willing to cheat.
But again, any despair at our inability to get the talent needs to reckon with the fact that we've ALWAYS had the talent, every single year, as our program has collapsed.
Look elsewhere.
The actual truth is that everybody is cheating, Illinois included. Some schools are better at it than others, and it's not always a question of how much you're willing to cheat.
An awful lot of people on here are going to refuse to accept that statement, unfortunately.
But again, any despair at our inability to get the talent needs to reckon with the fact that we've ALWAYS had the talent, every single year, as our program has collapsed.
I agree with this, but I think it is the schools' boosters and kids' handlers that get schools in trouble wrt payments. Schools books get audited and it's hard to avoid making a paper trail with that kind of direct involvement, plus any direct involvement I think would result in a worse penalty. Sure, it's naive to think it's not happening, but it's the circle around the kids I think more so.I don't take issue with the idea that every school is playing games with the rules. I do take issue with the idea that every school is, however, outright breaking them. I think every major school find as many loopholes and workarounds as they can, and pushes against that line as much as possible. I don't think every school is, for example, offering Nassir Little $150,000 of their own or a shoe company's money to play for them.
In big time college basketball, there are shades of grey and there is black. Most schools operate in that grey area and, I think, legitimately try to avoid stepping into that fully black area. Some are clever enough to find a way to play in the black area without getting caught.
I don't think every school is, for example, offering Nassir Little $150,000 of their own or a shoe company's money to play for them.