I'm sure you are being sarcastic, but I agree with everything you said....except the last part.
Sorry Obelix....maybe next time.
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I'm sure you are being sarcastic, but I agree with everything you said....except the last part.
Sorry Obelix....maybe next time.
I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if Kipper uses his 5th year status to play somewhere else either.
Is this the kind of player that gets any kind of tick on a major college team?
BU made $2.75M his first year, will make $2.85M his second year, we paid his $3M buyout at OSU, and he has a $12.4M buyout. That is a combined financial exposure and investment of $21M. Obviously, not the best structured contract IMO, when the entire Ubben renovation will cost $30M in comparison.
So while I am honored for the nominations, I do not think BU is going anywhere.
So while I am honored for the nominations, I do not think BU is going anywhere.
Probably not, as winning cures all. But that isn’t the case here, and we aren’t eeking our possession wins/losses either. We are getting our butts handed to us by even low end P5 teams. So that boat doesn’t really float.
Like someone else mentioned, this season is in the tank. There is nothing left to play for. So get the young guys that are raw but talented on the floor and get them some tick. Play for the future, if there is one to be had. Letting the freshman rot on the bench not only makes next years team worse due to inexperience, it puts keeping the roster together in peril because some of those guys will probably transfer.
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Yeah, that's about as bad as it gets. When you show that much favoritism towards your kid....one of the two have to go. Either the father or the son. It's truly awf that one of our freshman has been trumped by the coach and his kid. His kid should be playing at a D III school somewhere, yet he gets significant minutes over a legitimate DI RECRUIT, in a very important game for the fanbase.
I was a supporter of BU and that support has been slowly chipping away with each loss and more importantly....each transfer. Kids internally don't want to play for this guy and prospective recruits don't want to play for him.
Last night was the final straw for me(Not that it matters). Outside of Frazier....nobody is improving and no talent of note is being infused into the program.
I don't see what Whitman could possibly use as an excuse to provide a vote of confidence for this guy.
I'm getting more and more mad as I type this, so I need to stop.
JW seems pretty plugged in with the families in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if JW has a conversation with the coach over his son. No way on earth does TU play better defense than Griffin. I agree with mom, BU has embarrassed her son by his statements.
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For me, the perfect antidote to all my Illini frustration is to get out my bobbleheads (Ralphie and The Old Man) and Nehi leg lamp (major award) from "A Christmas Story". It helps.
So I wish all of you posters, Illini team and staff a very safe and happy holidays regardless of "your race, your creed or your color" - Maj. Kong "Dr. Strangelove".
Let's see what exciting forum action is in store for 2019!
So I wish all of you posters, Illini team and staff a very safe and happy holidays regardless of "your race, your creed or your color" - Maj. Kong "Dr. Strangelove".
Let's see what exciting forum action is in store for 2019!
The grapevine says he will miss 8 games or 25% of the schedule. That is consistent with the penalty mandated by the athletic department. Nobody has told us the answer is 4, but when we piece together the evidence it appears we have 2 plus 2.
I’ve maintained all along that the combination of youth and a talent deficit would keep this team from winning games regardless of what style they played. It’s not like Damonte would be a scorer if he was in another system or role. And for all of the frustration about our defensive field goal percentage, I honestly don’t think that the bottom line would be any better if you traded the high turnover rate for a middling number of both turnovers and shooting.
The flavor of failure that’s being served seems to bug people, which I don’t particularly agree with but kind of understand. What I absolutely don’t agree with is that this team has the experience, talent, and consistent intensity to be successful against the schedule they’ve played regardless of what system they roll out. I actually think that this approach helps them bury their biggest weakness, which is post play.
At the end of the day, I don’t think there’s an answer that can be found this season. And of all the stuff that bothers me about this team and what I saw last night, it wasn’t the system that stuck out. It was that they seemed to abandon any game plan as their shooting went cold in the second half, and then let that drain the intensity out of their defensive effort.
To me, that betrays a lack of confidence in themselves and in the plan. Given the vibe that’s grown up around this program, I don’t know if that can be repaired, ever, absent a massive shock or a solid run of good luck. Maybe Underwood isn’t the answer, which would really bum me out because I really hope that this program can find success without making basketball boring.
If a turnaround requires finding a guy who has a high enough profile to be given the benefit of the doubt coming into this job, we’re in trouble. Nobody of that type is in our price range, and nobody of that type would walk into this situation voluntarily.
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I'm not sure it matters much that Brad's son had some playing time. The bigger issues are: the lack of scoring depth (Trent's the offense), weak defensive rebounding, somewhat weak defensive, poor foul shooting, poor field goal percentage, and a very inexperienced group of big men. We all need to have low expectations since this is a major turnaround effort that seems like it is just in the beginning stages. I hope.
It looks pretty classless for the Illini fanbase to talk down about TU for getting playing time over other players.
Does he not practice and go to class just like the other players too?? You’re all frustrated because we’re losing and our team is terrible, and projecting it on a student athlete. If we were at 10-11 wins no one would care who were getting what minutes at this point. Some of you need to step away from the keyboard.
I agree that BU needs to play his talent, but guess what; this team barely has any. Let’s be honest with ourselves. None of the freshmen are consistent enough to be reliable game to game, they all lack any defensive instincts, and sometimes look like they’re way out of their element in games.
Playing AG or SK more wouldn’t have changed the result of the game, because the team allowed a turd of a Mizzpoo team to shoot 52% from the field. That’s the teams fault, and not because AG sat more than TU.
This season is going to be a throwaway season where the coach is going to teach some of these guys lessons, and hopefully the players of the future respond well and pick things up as they go. If they can’t handle it and transfer then oh well, I don’t see any of them really playing at a B1G level right now. If transfers cause the team to be in a downward turn then coach will be next to go, so be it.
All in all, i’m pretty ashamed to see the fanbase crap on one of our student athletes.
Does he not practice and go to class just like the other players too?? You’re all frustrated because we’re losing and our team is terrible, and projecting it on a student athlete. If we were at 10-11 wins no one would care who were getting what minutes at this point. Some of you need to step away from the keyboard.
I agree that BU needs to play his talent, but guess what; this team barely has any. Let’s be honest with ourselves. None of the freshmen are consistent enough to be reliable game to game, they all lack any defensive instincts, and sometimes look like they’re way out of their element in games.
Playing AG or SK more wouldn’t have changed the result of the game, because the team allowed a turd of a Mizzpoo team to shoot 52% from the field. That’s the teams fault, and not because AG sat more than TU.
This season is going to be a throwaway season where the coach is going to teach some of these guys lessons, and hopefully the players of the future respond well and pick things up as they go. If they can’t handle it and transfer then oh well, I don’t see any of them really playing at a B1G level right now. If transfers cause the team to be in a downward turn then coach will be next to go, so be it.
All in all, i’m pretty ashamed to see the fanbase crap on one of our student athletes.
Nobody is "crapping on the kid", they're crapping on his pops...
I was lucky enough to live, for a few years, a few doors down from a former U of I head basketball coach (post-retirement), and he would never say a bad word about his successors (despite my prodding); when I asked him why, he said that that those who are not part of the team (e.g., administrators, fans and reporters) at any given time, only knew a very small percentage of what was really going on within the team (which is a lot more than basketball, as it involves academics, compliance, code of conduct guidelines, interpersonal situations such as family relationships and girlfriends, dealing with 18-23 year olds living away from home for the first time in general, and so forth), and since (in retirement) he was not fully appraised of the situation, it would be unfair to those on the team for him to comment with anything but supportive words.
It was his nice way of reminding me that we are just fans, and while we are important to the team, we operate on the far periphery of what is really happening. I try to keep that in mind when I post on message boards.
It was his nice way of reminding me that we are just fans, and while we are important to the team, we operate on the far periphery of what is really happening. I try to keep that in mind when I post on message boards.
Constant criticism of him being on the court over AG is projecting that he isn’t good enough or deserve time. Insinuating he gets in there because his dad is the head coach is classless.
Mike LaTulip wasn’t scathed everytime Groce put him in games. Either way, you guys are free to vent you’re anger or cast your criticism however you want. There’s just a classier way is all.
Let’s not sugar coat this, If his dad wasn’t the head coach, he wouldn’t be on the team let alone getting minutes in a huge rivalry game. How many offers did he have coming out of high school? I think it’s classless for BU to say AG is less of a player when anyone with a set of eyes can see that’s not the case. No one is attacking TUs character, he just isn’t up to par to be playing on a Big Ten basketball team. Have we become so sensitive that we can’t call out bad coaching moves just because it might hurt someone’s feelings?
Everybody is always a little testy after a loss, especially a Bragging Rights loss. That being said BU is starting to write his own epitaph here. Offense that's not working. Defense that's not working. Recruiting that's not working. To get to the top half of the B1G he needs much better players than what is on the roster now, and he and his staff aren't getting it done. They need to make a big splash in the spring, and bring in a couple of kids that can put the ball in the hole against anybody. If they fail at that it might be over for him here. Giorgi and Ayo will likely be better next year along with Samba but other than Ayo I don't see a possible high level scorer there. No guarantee Tev or AG will be back next year but I don't see a miracle transformation from either. This years team is going to struggle to win more than 10-11 games and asking for a leap from there to an NCAA bid without a couple of big time recruits is asking a lot.
Have to play devil's advocate on the TU issue. He got most of his tick late in first half IIRC. Putting in TU is the equivalent of taking a knee in football when you don't want to risk the game getting away from you right before half time. Alan no doubt brings a lot more upside than TU, but he has 15 TOs in 87 minutes of playing time. TU has 1 TO on the season, which makes AG 7 times more likely to turn the ball over. TU also has more steals. TU is a ball control move. The game was not lost when he was in the game, which was the idea behind him playing.
I agree that it is not a good look but it is not the issue that it is being made out to be. Alan should have gotten some tick last night but it was not TU that took his - he should have played earlier in the first half when Ayo was out This fan focus on the 41 minutes of playing time TU has gotten this year is rather ridiculous. The bigger issue on playing time is DLR, who is not really ready. I expect BU to continue to give DLR opportunities especially against more physical big men (because this is DLR's last year), but until DLR proves he can go, SK should be getting the most time on a game to game basis.
I would like to see AG get some more playing time, and I am sure he will.
I agree that it is not a good look but it is not the issue that it is being made out to be. Alan should have gotten some tick last night but it was not TU that took his - he should have played earlier in the first half when Ayo was out This fan focus on the 41 minutes of playing time TU has gotten this year is rather ridiculous. The bigger issue on playing time is DLR, who is not really ready. I expect BU to continue to give DLR opportunities especially against more physical big men (because this is DLR's last year), but until DLR proves he can go, SK should be getting the most time on a game to game basis.
I would like to see AG get some more playing time, and I am sure he will.
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OMG, enough about Tyler Underwood already. 11 pages of this stuff. If Stephen Curry himself would've taken TU's (5!) minutes, it still wouldn't have mattered on the final outcome. There's plenty of actual legitimate stuff to complain about, like why we totally abandon the offensive system at the first sign of trouble, or why we're still a crappy rebounding team.
Not arguing about AG not getting playing time but according to box score, TU got 5 min vs 2 min for AG...hardly a fireable offense. My thought is AG could have/should have shared time with Ayo. Having Trent, AG, AJ and KN gives us a really potent 3p shooting lineup....we didnt see it.
You are looking at things from the wrong perspective (others as well). First, it has little to do on whether the decision to play Tyler was the main reason for losing the game at the end, although one can easily argue that when Tyler entered the game in the first half, the game was certainly still winnable. No doubt about that, most feel like AG certainly would have matched better against Pickett with his length, would have given us a better chance to put some points on the board, and contrary to the parallelism of taking a knee that someone else made, we should always play to win, not play not to lose. Especially in the BR game. And while the decision not to play AG is questionable, the decision to just insert him at the game in garbage time is certainly unjustifiable.
More importantly though, there is no denying that there was a mass exodus last year when 6 players with remaining eligibility decided to leave the program, including all of BU's own recruits with remaining eligibility. There is no denying that there were some "issues," some parents had negative feelings, others took the high road. The last thing you need on that front is having now a parent being livid and openly and publicly criticizing the coach. It is extremely negative for the program and recruiting, especially when the brother of that player is a highly ranked national recruit. Add the fact that some powerful coaches have also publicly made negative comments about BU, it shows there are some serious issues with relationship building both internally and externally, and there is no denying that no matter how many defensive articles Werner and Piper write. That is the real issue, especially for a program that is currently hurting on the court but also on the recruiting trail.
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