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Will the new RB and OL coaches be hired before April?
Will the new RB and OL coaches be hired before April?
I agree that it is the person more than the actual school. However, I cannot see Illinois as a final destination for that many current coaches. Wisconsin was Alvarez's, I think IL is for JW. But Ron Zook, for example, is from Ohio, and played college football within the state. I cannot say that if OSU came calling, that he would not have made the move. If he would have, then IL was a stepping stone for him. Is West Virginia and MSU stepping stones? Yes. Purdue is also a stepping stone. Louisville tried to get a home discount on Brohm, and blew it. If they would have offered him his market price, he would be at Louisville. Turner hates recruiting, why would he come to IL if not to help him get a better job in the NFL.And what coach do you think has come here with the stepping stone idea in mind? I can say Tepper, White, Zook, Turner, Beckman and Lovie (pretty much all but Mackovic) came here to be successful at Illinois. Now if they had sustained success would other offers have come along? Maybe but we don’t know Turner didn’t come here to burnish his credentials to return to the nfl. He was better placed to stay in the nfl. Same with Lovie. Zook would never have left if not pushed. Same with Tepper and most likely Beckman. Just as Brohm turned down Louisville. You are correct at that the coach with the intent to use a school to move on to something better is more the issue than the school itself. Urban Meyer, Gary Barnett and Saban are examples of coaches who use schools as stepping stones. Barry Alvarez (ND wanted him), Brohm, possibly Matt Campbell and many others are coaches that stick around to enjoy their success. Is West Virginia a stepping stone school because Holgerson left? MSU and LSU because Saban left? No it’s not the school. It is the person/coach.
I'm talking about, following their best seasons at Illinois, did a top tier school in college or NFL interview them or think about interviewing them? Such as, did Turner get a chance at a NFL head job after the 2001 season?
I agree that it is the person more than the actual school. However, I cannot see Illinois as a final destination for that many current coaches. Wisconsin was Alvarez's, I think IL is for JW. But Ron Zook, for example, is from Ohio, and played college football within the state. I cannot say that if OSU came calling, that he would not have made the move. If he would have, then IL was a stepping stone for him. Is West Virginia and MSU stepping stones? Yes. Purdue is also a stepping stone. Louisville tried to get a home discount on Brohm, and blew it. If they would have offered him his market price, he would be at Louisville. Turner hates recruiting, why would he come to IL if not to help him get a better job in the NFL.
Basically the number of coaches currently out there now, and in the foreseeable future, are not looking at IL as their dream job. There are way to many better situations, better programs, better weather, better history that will entice individuals to move on. Yes, IL stepping stone. Slippery ace one
If you are referring to Gary Molface going to Michigan, I think we sent him and a high draft choice and got a bag of beans in return...we were on the winning end of that trade.I think any school that isn't a destination program, (i.e. the blue bloods who can hire their next HC from nearly any other school), is inherently a stepping stone school. It isn't a permanent condition though, as Texas, Miami, USC, ND, and LSU have all shown with recent struggles getting their dream coach.
And I agree that it's an individual thing, for some coaches their alma is their dream job. I think AD at Illinois was JW's dream job, so for him, we're not a stepping stone. But how many football coaches can you name who view Illinois as their dream job?
I also believe that Guenther's coaching searches were largely driven by the hope of finding people who were unlikely to skip town with their first taste of success. That's why Turner and Zook; they'd been higher on the ladder and gotten burned, and he believed (and probably asked flat-out before hiring them) if they could be happy here for the long term if they were successful and well treated. I really do think his entire hiring strategy was driven by trying to avoid having to do another search three years later if they had success. Although my initial claim was intended to be football specific, the Kruger and Self departures illustrate what Guenther DIDN'T want to happen.
Obviously, to step up to the Pro's a la Kruger, or to the blue bloods a la Self, you gotta win. As everyone here knows, that's not something we've been afflicted with in football, for decades. Winning program I mean, not these out-of-the-blue 'OMG we're good this year' unexpected spikes in number of wins for one season, and then go bowless the next three seasons. So we haven't necessarily fit the MAC profile of a stepping stone more because 1) the coaches haven't proven their ability to build and sustain success, and 2) because Guenther's hiring strategy aggressively avoided the 'hot coach on the rise' profile.
How many of you think Sumlin would still be here if we'd been able to hire him and he was successful? Nobody? Well then yeah, we're probably a stepping stone. Honestly, I kind of assumed that was a given, at least for football. Hell, didn't we once lose a FB HC to another school in our own league? Not ideal.
In fact I think there's a lot at Illinois that makes the Alvarez scenario more achievable than it would be at many other schools, (e.g. recruiting base, B1G competition, enormous fan base, and C-U offers a higher quality of life at a lower price point than most places), who are trying to make the same leap. I sure hope Lovie is our Alvarez.Again I think this is all so circumstantial. I’ll add Ray Eliot as another who retired here with a winning record and his dignity intact. Regardless we like many schools, are one Alvarez away from being where we want to be. There is nothing inherently wrong at Illinois.
Could this be Lovie's guy?
https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/02/13/jim-leavitt-leaves-oregon-ducks-defensive-coordinator
Don't know about the salary requirements though.
For what position? The Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator / Assistant Linebackers Coach position has already been filled.Could this be Lovie's guy?
https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/02/13/jim-leavitt-leaves-oregon-ducks-defensive-coordinator
Don't know about the salary requirements though.
For what position? The Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator / Assistant Linebackers Coach position has already been filled.
For what position? The Head Coach / Defensive Coordinator / Assistant Linebackers Coach position has already been filled.
Will we be scratching our heads again or will we be cautiously optimistic?If i were a betting man I would bet the spots are filled just waiting for logistics before announcing.
OK, I'm betting the beach house on Garin Justice for OL Coach.If i were a betting man I would bet the spots are filled just waiting for logistics before announcing.
All good in my book.Will we be scratching our heads again or will we be cautiously optimistic?
Just the beach house? double down...OK, I'm betting the beach house on Garin Justice for OL Coach.
RB Coach? S&C Coach? Anyone with any guesses?
OK, I'm betting the beach house on Garin Justice for OL Coach.
RB Coach? S&C Coach? Anyone with any guesses?
I don't believe there is anything inherently wrong with Illinois either. I don't believe calling a school a stepping stone has a negative connotation.Again I think this is all so circumstantial. I’ll add Ray Eliot as another who retired here with a winning record and his dignity intact. Regardless we like many schools, are one Alvarez away from being where we want to be. There is nothing inherently wrong at Illinois.
If it makes you feel better, you can say he is so focused on his job that a players b-day is insignificant to him.Somewhat childish and scorned/jilted lover take on Miles as the hard working LB coach. The dude didn't even know it was one of his players Bday, while I saw coaches on the offensive side acknowledging it!