Nicely put Gritty. Your “sickness” fills my college football knowledge void for whatever topic we happen to be discussing.
Keep it up!
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Nicely put Gritty. Your “sickness” fills my college football knowledge void for whatever topic we happen to be discussing.
Keep it up!
These are really good examples. I was not aware that turnover was that rampant.
I would argue that the only winning program on there is Ohio State and Meyer would have been there for 15 more years if his health allowed it. (Same with Kill)
I guess Baylor has won over the years, but didn't Briles get the boot because of player "issues"?
Well, I hope Lovie succeeds, but I will submit regarding it being out of the norm.
Good insight.
If by player "issues" you mean Art Briles deservedly got the boot for looking the other way when his players committed sexual assault domestic violence, and other crimes then yeah.
Most of these other coaches found ways to win 4-6 games in just a couple years. If you subtract Lovie's first year because of not having "his guys" then it's not really the worst IF and only IF he manages to win 5.
Most of these other coaches found ways to win 4-6 games in just a couple years. If you subtract Lovie's first year because of not having "his guys" then it's not really the worst IF and only IF he manages to win 5.
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I like Lovie and he's done a good job at upgrading talent and holding players accountable off the field. Still needs to win though. Does JW put demands on Lovie like, 1. hire a DC with a new scheme 2. make the necessary coaching changes on both sides of the ball 3. either get a grip on time management or give that responsibility to the OC
So, more or less, become a figurehead/CEO.
So, more or less, become a figurehead/CEO.
Why pay 4 to 5 million for a figure head?
It’s too late for the coordinator changeout game. If we get a guy with a new scheme, it could take a year or two to implement. If we continue to muddle through 3-9 and 4-8 seasons during that time, it won’t matter anymore as Lovie will have a hard time recruiting big time players with his awful W/L record.
This idea is Zook 2.0. It’s been tried and failed, unfortunately.
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Why did Mike Richt leave Miami again? What is he doing now? Apologize if his name has already been brought up
RedRocksIllini
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Assume you mean Mark Richt. Here's some the of the backstory:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-diaz-saga-a-harsh-reminder-cfb-is-a-business
Oddly, one could substitute "defense" for "offense" and it kinda sounds like the Lovie story sans the retirement, complete with nepotism.
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Agreed on this point. I think going back to Tepper it could be argued that we kept each coach (sans Beckman) at least long enough if not 1 or 2 years too long. The coordinator reboot under Zook was an example of how Illinois has operated. Just delaying the inevitable for a couple years.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
You may be right, it wouldn't surprise me if he tried. But I go back to that list of hires I made:
If a careful reading of that still leaves you with a desire to hire, say, Bret Bielema over Jason Candle, we have different interpretations of the data. The idea that prior P5 success is a sure thing is pretty soundly disproven there.
And honestly, let's say Les Miles is interested in leaving Kansas for Illinois after this year. Is that REALLY a hire we would feel great about? At 66 years old, coming off probably a 3-9 type season at Kansas, with LSU looking a heck of a lot better since getting rid of him?
He's exceeded my expectations there so far, to be fair. Put together a good staff, filled up a competent recruiting class with genuine HS prospects (the thing that program desperately needed and which Miles was hired to do), and has made them look more competitive on the field so far.
But still, you look at that list and see what Dave Doeren, Dave Clawson, Matt Campbell, Jerry Kill, Dino Babers, Bronco Mendenhall, etc have done. It really shows that a coach the casual fan hasn't heard of is not something to fear or turn your nose up at.
Look, if Bob Stoops wants to take our job, great. But I think pushing for a P5 resume for the sake of a P5 resume would be a mistake.
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RedRocksIllini
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I think it's good to bring up names and discuss their merits. My hope is that our AD has been doing this since at least the end of the EMU game, even if he hasn't made the decision to pull the trigger. I would think this would be a good time to start behind-the-scenes discussions to at least gauge interest should the job open up before bigger fish start asking the same questions. I could even see the unofficial decision being made after this weekend (although that is probably unlikely) and the next few weeks spent lining things up for next year. If we do decide to go forward with regime change, it would be good for us to have that all in place before most others have even started the process. The last thing we should want is a repeat of the Tennessee hire or the mess that ended (some might say started) with the Groce hiring in basketball.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
I would say the biggest advantage to really understanding the market is being able to have an immediately available, solid, well considered Plan B if Plan A doesn't work out. You gave two perfect examples where that wasn't the case.
And what if plan B doesnt work? Maybe it would be better to see it as a top candidate, then a short list of others.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Right, always have a short list. Even Bama and Clemson's AD should have a short list.
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Interesting take on the radio in terms of Rutgers with their current interim HC. If they hire someone currently not on the staff, and he is officially hired, he can get out there and start recruiting ASAP
As an AD, if you have made your decision, and your guaranteed target is not currently coaching, this probably isn’t a bad idea.
I guess it might be hard for that new coach to find a staff, though.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Somebody talk me out of Mike Tressel. Since he took over the solo DC role after Harlon Barnett left for Florida State they've been the #2 defense nationally per SP+ both last year and so far this year. What am I missing?
SampsonRelpenk
- Edwardsville, IL
Recruiting isn't mentioned once in his bio. Is he active in that part of the program? Is he connected to any great offensive minds he could convince to join him (I'm guessing the nephew of Jim Tressel has some connections)? Would we just be chasing the ghost of Pat Narduzzi?
Personally I'd be very interested in going the Whiz Assistant route this time.
I am bored today.....everyone reply with their top 3 mainly realistic choices!
I'm more interested in your top three. I guess without really knowing the players and doing my research, my preference
would be for a power 5 experienced coach (either coordinator or head coach looking to move on) who has a decent track
record of resurrecting programs, has experience in recruiting florida, Illinois and texas, can keep the existing team together
and add key pieces and a connection to a group of assistants who might follow. Asking too much?
would be for a power 5 experienced coach (either coordinator or head coach looking to move on) who has a decent track
record of resurrecting programs, has experience in recruiting florida, Illinois and texas, can keep the existing team together
and add key pieces and a connection to a group of assistants who might follow. Asking too much?
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