Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (December 2020)
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Glad we have a new thread; November was not kind to us
altenberger22
- South Carolina
It's getting dangerously close to being one full year without a verbal commitment, and I don't foresee any coming in December.
Over/Under on commits by NCAA Tourney?
HoopCity
- Huntsville, AL
https://www.illinoisloyalty.com/For...iting-thread-november-2020.25691/post-1558409 This is a very Goode point. A hard commit in the spring but did not sign in the fall ???
altenberger22
- South Carolina
Any chance for Bediako?
I'm OK with the 65% prediction. Things 35% likely to happen, happen all the time. A lot of insiders like where we were with Mac and I think that was the honest read of the situation based on available info at the time. The issue with your prediction is you dropped this nugget yesterday: "And for those who don’t know, Mac was always eyeing the west coast aka LA 
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Where was that info before he chose UCLA? It smacks to me of just hopping on whatever happens and saying "I knew all along."If you're an insider with real information, great! If you're not, that's great too! But just be honest man.
Also, the idea that Mac didn't come to Illinois because of what fans were posting on Twitter and message boards sounds highly suspect to me (at least it think that's the theory you're pushing, who can say for sure). I'm no insider, so if I'm wrong hopefully someone with more knowledge can correct me.
"Where was that info before he chose UCLA? It smacks to me of just hopping on whatever happens and saying "I knew all along."If you're an insider with real information, great! If you're not, that's great too! But just be honest man.
Also, the idea that Mac didn't come to Illinois because of what fans were posting on Twitter and message boards sounds highly suspect to me (at least it think that's the theory you're pushing, who can say for sure). I'm no insider, so if I'm wrong hopefully someone with more knowledge can correct me.
ILLINIShox24
Orange Krush '04 & '05
Caleb Furst signed with Purdue: https://www.jconline.com/story/spor...kaufman-renn-provide-program-fits/6230465002/We can’t have nice things remember!
and I know I had given Koolaid influenced 65% on Mac, and I promise to be better... but I was not properly assessing the overall landscape, just as the staff did not properly do so as well...
You would not believe how much that string of misses hurt our momentum and made us a very “unpopular” destination for this current crop of recruits for some reason...
But just put yourself in Mac’s shoes, trying to decide between us and UCLA and seeing all the backlash the beloved “Illini” we’re receiving on social media during October and November.
I remember when Micahs family moved to Miami, and it is then that we should have understood that warm weather locations was the destination (j/k) but in all seriousness... when that happened there was a big consensus that Mac was still looking to play somewhere “far away”...
At the time however, we just didn’t know if it was Us or UCLA.
but then he had to watch Nesbit, Bhop, Jones, ty ty... all of them spurn us and more!
Mac just sat back and took in all the mockery and blasphemy as it unfolded, and I believe that ultimately did us in, because Mac’s heart was already in other places and that was the leap he needed to push him over the edge..
And unfortunately when I made that post a few weeks back about how i like the direction this staff is going now and is changing its current approach..
I was told then that Mac and Cardet are both gone and will be deciding before Christmas, and the staff has developed new methods and a new strategic plan to deal with this social media aged generation....
it’s like the currents on Twitter and in recruiting change every year... we have to keep up!
Micah left us stringing as his fall back option for over a year guys... and we bought it. The staff bought it. But if he wanted to be here he would have jumped on board right away like Goode did...
but Caleb on the other hand...
NOW you’re thinking in the right trajectory of some things you shouldn’t be surprised to see this staff attempt to do during this Spring cycle...
because it’s no holds bars by this staff from here on out, I promise you guys that!!
The fact that you allude to him as a possibility, along with odd references to "all the mockery and blasphemy" heightens the growing skepticism about your posts.
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I first joined this site quite a few years ago thinking that I would know more about the realities of recruiting.
Who were are pursuing (that part is true), what they are thinking (nothing could be further from the truth), what our chances are (nope, not that either) and just feel better about the future.
That stuff just doesn't happen. The information is flawed (understandable, but frustrating) and the only recruiting efforts that seem to go well are those that go quietly. I'm going to keep reading the rest of Loyalty, but I think I'll take a break from recruiting threads. It was honestly better ten years ago when I just found out one day that somebody committed. Then I would read about that guy and feel good.
Social media, teenagers, intermediaries and influencers. Its just too much for this relic of a fan to deal with.
Who were are pursuing (that part is true), what they are thinking (nothing could be further from the truth), what our chances are (nope, not that either) and just feel better about the future.
That stuff just doesn't happen. The information is flawed (understandable, but frustrating) and the only recruiting efforts that seem to go well are those that go quietly. I'm going to keep reading the rest of Loyalty, but I think I'll take a break from recruiting threads. It was honestly better ten years ago when I just found out one day that somebody committed. Then I would read about that guy and feel good.
Social media, teenagers, intermediaries and influencers. Its just too much for this relic of a fan to deal with.
I think he was referring to Caleb Furst, one of Goode's best friends but he has signed with Purdue...
We tried to get in with him and BU even went out to see him but the interest wasn't mutual.
He's officially down to Duke, Alabama, Texas, Michigan, and Ohio State. Everyone thinks it's Alabama.
BMoreIllini
- Baltimore, MD
Sorry to continue the criticism on this, but these narratives seem so wrong in so many ways. The idea that these recruits are thinking that us not getting picked by other recruits somehow makes us an "undesirable location" is laughable (Champaign's geographic location is a much bigger "undesirable" trait than anything that recruits could put out there lol). There was no mockery or blasphemy - we were a preseason top 10 team. I think it's great exposure for us to be included in so many final lists of these top 50 recruits, even if we aren't getting the commitments. To me, if another recruit (say a top 150 recruit) sees that we were a viable enough option to be included by these higher rated guys in their final lists, then they'll take us seriously if we decide to offer.We can’t have nice things remember!
and I know I had given Koolaid influenced 65% on Mac, and I promise to be better... but I was not properly assessing the overall landscape, just as the staff did not properly do so as well...
You would not believe how much that string of misses hurt our momentum and made us a very “unpopular” destination for this current crop of recruits for some reason...
But just put yourself in Mac’s shoes, trying to decide between us and UCLA and seeing all the backlash the beloved “Illini” we’re receiving on social media during October and November.
I remember when Micahs family moved to Miami, and it is then that we should have understood that warm weather locations was the destination (j/k) but in all seriousness... when that happened there was a big consensus that Mac was still looking to play somewhere “far away”...
At the time however, we just didn’t know if it was Us or UCLA.
but then he had to watch Nesbit, Bhop, Jones, ty ty... all of them spurn us and more!
Mac just sat back and took in all the mockery and blasphemy as it unfolded, and I believe that ultimately did us in, because Mac’s heart was already in other places and that was the leap he needed to push him over the edge..
And unfortunately when I made that post a few weeks back about how i like the direction this staff is going now and is changing its current approach..
I was told then that Mac and Cardet are both gone and will be deciding before Christmas, and the staff has developed new methods and a new strategic plan to deal with this social media aged generation....
it’s like the currents on Twitter and in recruiting change every year... we have to keep up!
Micah left us stringing as his fall back option for over a year guys... and we bought it. The staff bought it. But if he wanted to be here he would have jumped on board right away like Goode did...
but Caleb on the other hand...
NOW you’re thinking in the right trajectory of some things you shouldn’t be surprised to see this staff attempt to do during this Spring cycle...
because it’s no holds bars by this staff from here on out, I promise you guys that!!
I hate when insiders are run off the board for criticisms, but I have serous doubts on whether you actually have any info at all or you're just "talking out of both sides of your mouth". Recruiting discussions can (and should) be fun and light-hearted for everyone regardless of if you have inside info or not, but there's an issue when people come here to act like they're connected when they're not.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Caleb Love, for me.
What a load of garbageWe can’t have nice things remember!
and I know I had given Koolaid influenced 65% on Mac, and I promise to be better... but I was not properly assessing the overall landscape, just as the staff did not properly do so as well...
You would not believe how much that string of misses hurt our momentum and made us a very “unpopular” destination for this current crop of recruits for some reason...
But just put yourself in Mac’s shoes, trying to decide between us and UCLA and seeing all the backlash the beloved “Illini” we’re receiving on social media during October and November.
I remember when Micahs family moved to Miami, and it is then that we should have understood that warm weather locations was the destination (j/k) but in all seriousness... when that happened there was a big consensus that Mac was still looking to play somewhere “far away”...
At the time however, we just didn’t know if it was Us or UCLA.
but then he had to watch Nesbit, Bhop, Jones, ty ty... all of them spurn us and more!
Mac just sat back and took in all the mockery and blasphemy as it unfolded, and I believe that ultimately did us in, because Mac’s heart was already in other places and that was the leap he needed to push him over the edge..
And unfortunately when I made that post a few weeks back about how i like the direction this staff is going now and is changing its current approach..
I was told then that Mac and Cardet are both gone and will be deciding before Christmas, and the staff has developed new methods and a new strategic plan to deal with this social media aged generation....
it’s like the currents on Twitter and in recruiting change every year... we have to keep up!
Micah left us stringing as his fall back option for over a year guys... and we bought it. The staff bought it. But if he wanted to be here he would have jumped on board right away like Goode did...
but Caleb on the other hand...
NOW you’re thinking in the right trajectory of some things you shouldn’t be surprised to see this staff attempt to do during this Spring cycle...
because it’s no holds bars by this staff from here on out, I promise you guys that!!
Homecoming 2019
- Chicago
I've had fun following QC's ramblings and it has really livened up the board lately, but QC hasn't made an accurate prediction yet and this latest post is just nonsensical ramblings.
Always felt the grammar reminded me of an 8th grade blogger. Has never really been written like someone 'in the know'. After the 'Weekend' commitment predictions for 2 months straight I started to ignore his info.
Actually I didn’t read ProfessorQC’s reference to Caleb as we are trying to flip him specifically but rather you’re on the right track as to the staff potentially trying to flip players who have committed but not signed.
As to the mockery and social media question, again I think I have a different take on that than others. With how important social media relevancy seems to be with that generation and what I hear about the vigor of Illini fans on those platforms, I could certainly see recruits keeping Illinois in their top 6 or 4 for the attention. And not out of the question that among some recruits and AAU handlers this practice is known. So when Illinois is included in say a final 4 list and Illini fans go bonkers on social media, it would certainly be amusing to those who know the orange and blue don’t stand a strong chance. I don’t know if that is happening, but it wouldn’t really surprise me. Now I’m not sure I agree with the notion that if that is happening it would impact a recruit’s decision. And I don’t think they’re feigning interest at the beginning or even a little further into the process just so they can do that later on.
As to the mockery and social media question, again I think I have a different take on that than others. With how important social media relevancy seems to be with that generation and what I hear about the vigor of Illini fans on those platforms, I could certainly see recruits keeping Illinois in their top 6 or 4 for the attention. And not out of the question that among some recruits and AAU handlers this practice is known. So when Illinois is included in say a final 4 list and Illini fans go bonkers on social media, it would certainly be amusing to those who know the orange and blue don’t stand a strong chance. I don’t know if that is happening, but it wouldn’t really surprise me. Now I’m not sure I agree with the notion that if that is happening it would impact a recruit’s decision. And I don’t think they’re feigning interest at the beginning or even a little further into the process just so they can do that later on.
Haha. Good one TC.
100% agree with this. I’m too lazy to go back and check, but I can’t recall a QC prediction that has been accurate.
Does anyone remember Rob Jordans post on insiders.I can't recall the exact words but it was something like "Lol at anyone who believes there are actually people with inside information on here."After following this site for over 10 years I have to agree.I couldn't even begin to remember all the "insiders" that have come and gone in this time.
Key to being an insider is picking against the Illini. You’ll be right 80-90%, and when you’re wrong no one will care.
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