Great offense but very QB driven, also defense leaves something to be desired.No love for the Lewis guy? Maybe just no connection at all to Josh, so not really seen as an option?
Great offense but very QB driven, also defense leaves something to be desired.No love for the Lewis guy? Maybe just no connection at all to Josh, so not really seen as an option?
Correct was on staff for 5 years before hand and was the recruiting coordinator as well and didn't have to build a staff around him.Wasn't Pat Fitzgerald already on the staff when their HC died suddenly?
Guys the hire will have HC or coordinator experience I promise you that.
Valid Good one. And don't get me started on the salaries of major sports figures (coaches included) in the US, as they're universally excessive. I know they're paid what the market will bear, BUT....A word of caution, that Josh will have firmly in mind: https://tampabaytimes-fl.newsmemory.com/?publink=052574448
Easier said than done.Funny how a lot of the up and comers from a few years ago are flaming out: Fuentes, Babers, et al. Hire a proven power 5 head coach.
I wonder whether we're trying to gauge Bielema's interest or Bielema is beating down our door. Because he swore he was sick of college football and never going back. I'd want to be very convinced he had the fire for it again before I'd entertain that option.Jim leonhard
Lance Leipold
Jeff Monken
Luke Fickell
Bret Bielema
I don't have it, but if I recall correctly the thing that stood out most strongly was how UNsuccessful coaches poached from other Power Five schools had been. But there's lots of good and bad in every "category". It's about the guy, and even more than that the plan, and even more than that the execution of the plan, and probably even more than that the ability to course correct and respond on the fly when things don't go according to the plan, because that is always going to happen.@ChiefGritty Last year you came up with 10 years worth of coaching hires in different categories to try and figure out if one particular type of hire stood out.
No particular category stood out except maybe up and coming head coach from a smaller school. And even then it wasn’t a smoking gun for success.
Do you still have that list? And has anything changed with an extra year of data?
One thing to note about Monken is that he was very successful as HC at Georgia Southern, among other things beating Florida in the Swamp, as well as being on Paul Johnson's staff at Georgia Tech during their most successful period. He knows the other side, in contrast to Ken Niumatalolo, also a tremendous coach, but a service academy guy basically his entire career.In all the concerns people have made about Jeff Monken, I haven’t seen anyone mention recruiting. Obviously recruiting to a power 5 program is much different than to a service academy. But idk, do they even have recruiting in a normal sense for Army? I can imagine that the cited pluses are experience recruiting young men to come to school even if it means joining the army, and having national contacts.
Totally agree, it's an entirely different way to think about winning a football game and you jump in with both feet or you don't do it at all. I'm actually very surprised Monken has apparently made that suggestion given his history with Paul Johnson who compromised nothing to anyone ever and was very successful nonetheless.I worry about Monken actually being able to change his offense. The triple option is who he is and what’s he’s pretty much always coached. That would be like if Wisconsin hired leach and told him to grind it out on the ground.
In the Big Ten notably Tom Allen, Pat Fitzgerald and Greg Schiano are defensive guys originally. Nationally Manny Diaz, Mark Stoops, Ed Orgeron, Kyle Whittingham, and of course Nick Saban. Regardless, every successful coach needs to be a CEO with quality management oversight over both sides of the ball.I’m cool with the Wisconsin DC being the guy but man I hope he has an offensive guru coming in for oc.
Serious question: How many defensive coordinators stick as head coaches these days?
I've seen this a couple of times now, and, of course he has said that. If he wants a job at a P5 school, he basically has to say it. And I'm not questioning that it's true, but I am questioning if we have reason to believe he will be successful in another system? It looks like he's been coaching on teams using the triple option for the last 25 years (though I could certainly be wrong about that), and I don't think it's a trivial change. He doesn't have a body of work outside of the triple option to judge which would definitely give me pause. Of course, I'm not sure there is a candidate willing to take the job that wouldn't give me pause in one way or another.2. Monken isn't married to the triple option and has said so many times.
At the college level? Hoping high school coaches are not in the hunt.Guys the hire will have HC or coordinator experience I promise you that.
Exactly, the fact that he's open to changing his offensive philosophy after such a long time tells me he knows it wouldn't have near the same amount of success at a P5 school.I think if Jeff Monken is the choice, you have to want the triple option as at least the "base" offense. I'm sure there's a good amount of wrinkles and adjustments you can make to it, but I just have a very hard time seeing Monken take the job and then hiring a spread OC and giving him total control. Maybe it's possible, but he's been all triple option all the time since 1997. He's either worked under the best triple option coach or been the HC running that system. If he had any experience outside of that, I'd feel much more comfortable. I almost question his openness to changing, as that's literally been his constant coaching philosophy for 20+ years.
Billy Napier is being considered for the Auburn job. I would sincerely doubt he would be interested in our opening. Just my opinion
Lots of good stuff in here. I agree with pretty much everything and even started googling Phil Longo yesterday lol.I wonder whether we're trying to gauge Bielema's interest or Bielema is beating down our door. Because he swore he was sick of college football and never going back. I'd want to be very convinced he had the fire for it again before I'd entertain that option.
I don't have it, but if I recall correctly the thing that stood out most strongly was how UNsuccessful coaches poached from other Power Five schools had been. But there's lots of good and bad in every "category". It's about the guy, and even more than that the plan, and even more than that the execution of the plan, and probably even more than that the ability to course correct and respond on the fly when things don't go according to the plan, because that is always going to happen.
One thing to note about Monken is that he was very successful as HC at Georgia Southern, among other things beating Florida in the Swamp, as well as being on Paul Johnson's staff at Georgia Tech during their most successful period. He knows the other side, in contrast to Ken Niumatalolo, also a tremendous coach, but a service academy guy basically his entire career.
Totally agree, it's an entirely different way to think about winning a football game and you jump in with both feet or you don't do it at all. I'm actually very surprised Monken has apparently made that suggestion given his history with Paul Johnson who compromised nothing to anyone ever and was very successful nonetheless.
In the Big Ten notably Tom Allen, Pat Fitzgerald and Greg Schiano are defensive guys originally. Nationally Manny Diaz, Mark Stoops, Ed Orgeron, Kyle Whittingham, and of course Nick Saban. Regardless, every successful coach needs to be a CEO with quality management oversight over both sides of the ball.
As just one more aside, one coordinator I forgot to mention in my previous post, and who everybody seems to forget to mention, is Phil Longo, OC, North Carolina who engineers elite offenses everywhere he goes. They rolled up 778 yards of total offense on the road against a top 10 Miami team last week.
I think he's saying he's open to changing because he knows that's what P5 ADs want to hear. I think deep down he thinks it would work. I'm guessing his time at GT probably illustrated not only how effective it could be in P5, but also that it has a ceiling, and maintaining that type of system through recruiting at the P5 level has got to be a grind. It's just weird that the 56 year old established coach would be in a similar situation as the young first time HC, trying to build a brand new staff (at least on the offensive side) and become the CEO type coach instead of the offensive driver.Exactly, the fact that he's open to changing his offensive philosophy after such a long time tells me he knows it wouldn't have near the same amount of success at a P5 school.
Get ready for a Bielema announcement today. I believe negotiations started a week ago in NJ, and deal was all but sealed yesterday. I also believe his family arrived in town last night.
Get ready for a Bielema announcement today. I believe negotiations started a week ago in NJ, and deal was all but sealed yesterday. I also believe his family arrived in town last night.
Good digging! Had to google both those guys. It would be huge (and pretty darn important) to get those guys to follow Leonhard. Would be a good sign if he was able to bring a lot of his defensive staff with him. I'd start to get worried pretty quickly if he had very few guys come with him.If he could get Inoke Breckterfield (not sure spelled correctly) or/and Bobby April to join the staff with either being DC, that would be nice. Be more curious what type of O he prefers.
Ehhh I know Josh was meeting with a coach most of yesterday just not sure who.Get ready for a Bielema announcement today. I believe negotiations started a week ago in NJ, and deal was all but sealed yesterday. I also believe his family arrived in town last night.
(FYI, I do not have any connections to Illini administration)
The two most successful coaches at Illinois in the modern era were experienced head coaches at what are now power 5 schools. Hayden Fry fixed Iowa after being an experienced power 5 head coach. White, Mackovic and Fry all had baggage. We could get lucky with a coordinator or an up and comer from a smaller school but the best bet to get us on the right course is someone who’s done it before. Bielema fits the bill perfectly. If he can make us a consistent winner at the 8 win level or so, we can eventually get to Iowa/Wisconsin good. We can’t take chances at this point.If those are the 5, then I throw Fickell out because if he turned down MSU, he will turn down Illinois. No chance.
Monken with the triple option huge risk here. It’s too out of the box. Lovie was out of the box too. I think Whitman makes a conventional football hire this time.
Leipold, he’s 56 with no experience in Power conference football. So doubt it’s him.
That leaves Leonhard or Bielema. I think it’s one of those guys that get it. IMO can’t go wrong with either one but the safest bet is Bielema. At this point I’ll be very surprised if it’s not Bielema. Too much smoke coming from there especially with the way he pulled out of the Southern Miss job at the very last second. Have to believe he didn’t take that job bc something better came along like Illinois.
Right he'd had a big hand in building a winning roster (no mean feat at Northwestern in those days) and was a known quantity in-house. And of course they were put in a very tough situation with Walker's sudden, unexpected death in late June.Correct was on staff for 5 years before hand and was the recruiting coordinator as well and didn't have to build a staff around him.