Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of April 5th, 2021)

[drsmitty74]

my guess he will be equivalent to Trent in terms of overall production. Better offensively but worse defensively.

A lot of players would fall into the "worse defensively" when compared to TF.

 

[Doctoresdelbasket]

Off the bench? This guy will start

Man plummer is a microwave, he can shoot with the best of them and can shoot off screens with very little space and time, good percentages even with a lot of difficult shots, might get easier shots with belo, hope we get him

 

[Deleted member 747903]

A lot of players would fall into the "worse defensively" when compared to TF.

Fair but I do agree with previous remarks on trents defense.

He really could lock up guys at a similar height ( Mike smith, Carr, etc) but he had troubles with taller guards who could shoot over him. One thing he did have more than most was heart and desire.

 

[Brad Gagnon's wife]

I'm anxious to find out what and who the Illini and B.U. are going to have in the roster for 21/22. I do know I trust the process and the coaching staff to compete. We all have dream lineups but WAY TOO early.

 

[marvin1991]

I'm anxious to find out what and who the Illini and B.U. are going to have in the roster for 21/22. I do know I trust the process and the coaching staff to compete. We all have dream lineups but WAY TOO early.

I think we are going to be just fine. Not anxious at all. Team may look different but still very good. We are back on track as a program and not going anywhere.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

Our own JCL has made NCAA history!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1380891679230676995

25 years old, sure hope he at least has one degree out of it all.

 

[altenberger22]

Bill Walton will be calling you shortly.

(Note to the younger Loyalty members -- Walton played in the NBA (and at UCLA) before he became an announcer)

And you should add.......”Walton was a Top 10 (probably Top 5) NCAA basketball player of all-time.”

Edit: I decided to google. #4 by Bleacher Report. Started his career 73-0 with two Natty’s. Oft-injured once he was in the NBA.

 

[BretMyBeachHouse]

Fair but I do agree with previous remarks on trents defense.

He really could lock up guys at a similar height ( Mike smith, Carr, etc) but he had troubles with taller guards who could shoot over him. One thing he did have more than most was heart and desire.

Not saying you're wrong, but what players in what games are you talking about?

 

[BretMyBeachHouse]

25 years old, sure hope he at least has one degree out of it all.

My recollection was that he started in accountancy here. Perhaps business of finance.

Anyway, if getting an education and degree is his top priority, he should finished here, not started here.

 

[TCTORNADO]

JCL with an undergrad degree in Marketing from DePaul and a Master's in information systems from ISU.

 

[altgeld88]

Just FWIW you never fully recover from a herniated disc. That means there's a rupture in the disc that allows nucleus pulposus (jelly-like substance) to escape the disc, which can impact a part of the spinal nerve and cause pain. The pulposes can be re-absorbed over time, which will end the symptoms, but the tear in the disc will remain and be susceptible to re-injury. Alternatively through surgery the pulposus which has leaked out can be removed. Either way, there's a decent chance his disc herniation will become symptomatic again at some point in his life. Hope it doesn't though and if it does, not for a very long time. Back injuries are the worst.

Sorry to hear that you apparently suffered this, too. I did as well, at nearly 50. The most awful thing I've experienced. It can't be rectified completely, as you note, but it can be mitigated to a great extent via squatting and deadlifting to the point that it doesn't even bother the afflicted anymore. Spinal trauma via auto injuries is an awful thing. I don't know the extent of Hutch's disc injuries via the auto accident but if he's in proper training hands it's possible, and probably likely, he can get past it and compete.

I developed radiating pain down to my left knee via a lumbar herniated disc. Couldn't sit down (unless my piriformis muscle in my glutes was on a lacrosse ball) for more than five minutes and couldn't sleep for more than 3-5 hours a night (waking up regularly) for nine months. Physical therapy made it worse. What fixed it finally was quitting PT and the ridiculous PT exercise regimen, and turning to heavy squatting and deadlifting, which I wish I'd known up front.

The only way to keep the tear from flaring up in the long term is to make the spinal erectors as strong as possible. Few if any doctors, and virtually no physical therapist understands or will acknowledge this. A few PTs understand and use barbell training in their rehab regimen. But most PT exercises for a herniated disc do little more than create friction in the facet joints of the spine without providing any meaningful development of support for the spine itself via the erectors. And how could they develop those muscles they're all bodyweight exercises or those done with light dumbbells, or tension bands, in isolation from the normal integrated motion of the body?

It was a lesson I learned only through daily, bloody-minded research and experimentation over a long period. I hope that whomever is training Hutch gets him really strong through his entire musculoskeletal chain, particularly the rear chain. That's the only thing that seems to provide a long term solution to disc injuries. If he has multiple herniations or more traumatic spinal damage, then that may be a different story.

The spine begins to deteriorate naturally in our 20s. By 30 an MRI of the spine looks scary for virtually all of us. By middle age many of us have chronic back pain even without direct injuries. As a wise man noted, the choice is to live with a hurt back or a strong back that hurts less, or practically not at all. I hope that Hutch can get to the latter.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

My recollection was that he started in accountancy here. Perhaps business of finance.

Anyway, if getting an education and degree is his top priority, he should finished here, not started here.

I was thinking he was all about the school of business.

You know what, good for him. If he can bet set professionally through basketball, he should.

I was 29 when I started school after serving in the Army. No financial debt with a masters degree

 

[TCTORNADO]

I was thinking he was all about the school of business.

You know what, good for him. If he can bet set professionally through basketball, he should.

I was 29 when I started school after serving in the Army. No financial debt with a masters degree

Congratulations and thanks for serving.

 

[illini.culture IG]

What chance do we actually have at landing Plummer? Do we have any advantages in getting him to come here?

 

[BigMuddyMonster]

What chance do we actually have at landing Plummer? Do we have any advantages in getting him to come here?

He and Curbelo know each other. They grew up an hour apart in PR. Also... Antigua.

 

[Muskie2368]

What chance do we actually have at landing Plummer? Do we have any advantages in getting him to come here?

We are going to throw at him everything but the kitchen sink unless that gets clogged. Good gawd now you got me doing it.

 

[pruman91]

Sorry to hear that you apparently suffered this, too. I did as well, at nearly 50. The most awful thing I've experienced. It can't be rectified completely, as you note, but it can be mitigated to a great extent via squatting and deadlifting to the point that it doesn't even bother the afflicted anymore. Spinal trauma via auto injuries is an awful thing. I don't know the extent of Hutch's disc injuries via the auto accident but if he's in proper training hands it's possible, and probably likely, he can get past it and compete.

I developed radiating pain down to my left knee via a lumbar herniated disc. Couldn't sit down (unless my piriformis muscle in my glutes was on a lacrosse ball) for more than five minutes and couldn't sleep for more than 3-5 hours a night (waking up regularly) for nine months. Physical therapy made it worse. What fixed it finally was quitting PT and the ridiculous PT exercise regimen, and turning to heavy squatting and deadlifting, which I wish I'd known up front.

The only way to keep the tear from flaring up in the long term is to make the spinal erectors as strong as possible. Few if any doctors, and virtually no physical therapist understands or will acknowledge this. A few PTs understand and use barbell training in their rehab regimen. But most PT exercises for a herniated disc do little more than create friction in the facet joints of the spine without providing any meaningful development of support for the spine itself via the erectors. And how could they develop those muscles they're all bodyweight exercises or those done with light dumbbells, or tension bands, in isolation from the normal integrated motion of the body?

It was a lesson I learned only through daily, bloody-minded research and experimentation over a long period. I hope that whomever is training Hutch gets him really strong through his entire musculoskeletal chain, particularly the rear chain. That's the only thing that seems to provide a long term solution to disc injuries. If he has multiple herniations or more traumatic spinal damage, then that may be a different story.

The spine begins to deteriorate naturally in our 20s. By 30 an MRI of the spine looks scary for virtually all of us. By middle age many of us have chronic back pain even without direct injuries. As a wise man noted, the choice is to live with a hurt back or a strong back that hurts less, or practically not at all. I hope that Hutch can get to the latter.

this has helped me tremendously.....

 

[Ubermensch]

I'd prefer to stay away from small two guards, but I'll take anyone this staff feels is worthy.

 

[IlliniwekKDR]

Sorry to hear that you apparently suffered this, too. I did as well, at nearly 50. The most awful thing I've experienced. It can't be rectified completely, as you note, but it can be mitigated to a great extent via squatting and deadlifting to the point that it doesn't even bother the afflicted anymore. Spinal trauma via auto injuries is an awful thing. I don't know the extent of Hutch's disc injuries via the auto accident but if he's in proper training hands it's possible, and probably likely, he can get past it and compete.

I developed radiating pain down to my left knee via a lumbar herniated disc. Couldn't sit down (unless my piriformis muscle in my glutes was on a lacrosse ball) for more than five minutes and couldn't sleep for more than 3-5 hours a night (waking up regularly) for nine months. Physical therapy made it worse. What fixed it finally was quitting PT and the ridiculous PT exercise regimen, and turning to heavy squatting and deadlifting, which I wish I'd known up front.

The only way to keep the tear from flaring up in the long term is to make the spinal erectors as strong as possible. Few if any doctors, and virtually no physical therapist understands or will acknowledge this. A few PTs understand and use barbell training in their rehab regimen. But most PT exercises for a herniated disc do little more than create friction in the facet joints of the spine without providing any meaningful development of support for the spine itself via the erectors. And how could they develop those muscles they're all bodyweight exercises or those done with light dumbbells, or tension bands, in isolation from the normal integrated motion of the body?

It was a lesson I learned only through daily, bloody-minded research and experimentation over a long period. I hope that whomever is training Hutch gets him really strong through his entire musculoskeletal chain, particularly the rear chain. That's the only thing that seems to provide a long term solution to disc injuries. If he has multiple herniations or more traumatic spinal damage, then that may be a different story.

The spine begins to deteriorate naturally in our 20s. By 30 an MRI of the spine looks scary for virtually all of us. By middle age many of us have chronic back pain even without direct injuries. As a wise man noted, the choice is to live with a hurt back or a strong back that hurts less, or practically not at all. I hope that Hutch can get to the latter.

I'm a physical therapist, and I endorse this message

 

[Deleted member 747903]

Not saying you're wrong, but what players in what games are you talking about?

Early in the year he got torched by Preston so bad they had to switch Ayo onto him early in that one (to be fair he torched everyone that game). I can't recall any other times off the top of my head.

Edit: I think he struggled a bit against Audige from NW as well.

 

[EyeoftheIllini]

Making a comment about someone you virtually know nothing about is an invitation for making a fool of one's self. Mea culpa.

I watched Plummer twice this year and once last year against Oregon St., and I saw nothing to indicate he is a point guard. Interestingly, I probably saw him at his best and worst. Last year, he hit something like 10 3s against them in Pac 12 tourney, and then went something like 1 for 10 against them this year. His last game against Beavs was solid. Certainly could handle Trent’s role offensively, but don’t think we’d want him as primary PG on the floor at any one time. Don’t remember him defensively, which leads me to believe he isn’t anything special there.

 

[robjilla]

Awesome! They can both talk about how much they played in their high school days whilst picking splinters out of their rears on the Kentucky bench give me a freakin’ break.

Makes no sense at all. Unless you are a top 10 player or unless everyone has left like the year AD was there, there is a good chance you will be coming off the bench at Kentucky. Devin Booker didn't even start his freshman year & he was a top ten player & lottery pick.. Miller is good but he is not gonna start over the players they got coming in. Hopkins is one of the players coming in, but he not even gonna start over Collins & whoever transfers in. Both would have been pillars at Illinois next year

 

[CasualObserver05]

I know it's been discussed periodically throughout the recruiting threads this spring but I'm still curious about couple of things in regards to the portal.

Is it here to stay in it's current set up? Will there be a ONE time transfer exception not requiring a sit year or will players be allowed to just transfer year after year without sitting? I'm pretty sure no one know the answer to these definitively but curious what those close to the program think regarding it?

This could seem to have rather large effects on high school kids recruitments, fall signing period, etc.

 

[whatahack]

I've asked this before but no one answered. Maybe because no one knows the answer.

But here it goes again....what is happening with Kofi? Struggling with why he hasn't made a decision yet.

 

[Deleted member 747903]

I've asked this before but no one answered. Maybe because no one knows the answer.

But here it goes again....what is happening with Kofi? Struggling with why he hasn't made a decision yet.

He wants to go through the combine process and get feedback which he deserves to do. That won't be done until end of June.