What is the million dollar figure being bandied about? Is there actually someone suggesting that a transfer to UNC is actually being told he's going to land that?
Literally every other player Kentucky and Duke have recruited in recent memory has been over promised (e.g., with pro development and/or playing time) relative to their high school rankings. It has had no impact on their ability to continue to stockpile top 3 recruiting classes and coveted transfers. Why would NIL change that? It’s just another form of overpromising that hasn’t hurt blue bloods at all.We have no idea what that widget spit out or if it is lowball. On the contrary, it's just as likely or more so that others are overpromising. Overpromising and underdelivering is not something you can do for too long without a serious reputation hit among your clientele.
I get people having high expectations and wanting to close on recruits. I feel the same.
But the fact that I've seen murmurs of "hot seat" from fans on social media is wild. We just made the tournament since who knows when and were a 1 seed. Things didn't end well, but there's a lot to be optimistic about. I'm not saying we're gonna be a top 10 team season, but I'm hopeful to end a top 25 team. Let's see how the season pans out before we start making bold statements.
How quick we forget where we were before Brad got here... I don't think these expectations would be as crazy if it wasn't for the fact he propelled us up so fast.
I agree on them breaking rules if they exist but where have you heard the "reasonable" limit? I've looked numerous times and haven't found any such reference.You may well have better information, but it’s been said that endorsement fees have to be “reasonable”. TIFWIW The specific example I heard was a guy can’t earn $100,000 for getting a picture taken with a booster/donor/sponsor. Right now it seems that is happening. Legal or not. My opinion is whatever limits are set, if any, will be broken by the usual suspects.
I'm still waiting on Mark Alstork's 20ppg.Literally every other player Kentucky and Duke have recruited in recent memory has been over promised (e.g., with pro development and/or playing time) relative to their high school rankings. It has had no impact on their ability to continue to stockpile top 3 recruiting classes and coveted transfers. Why would NIL change that? It’s just another form of overpromising that hasn’t hurt blue bloods at all.
edit: Point-Illinois beat me to it.
Have they been overpromised? Kentucky and Duke have sent a much higher proportion of their players to the NBA than the overwhelming majority of other schools. If the promise was to help players get to the NBA, it seems they've done a decent job. Now, you'd be correct to point out that a lot of this comes down to the high level of recruits they are able to pull in that would have gone straight to the NBA in an earlier era, but I don't think that is in any way relevant to issue. What is important is that they have the appearance of being a factory for NBA players, at which point it becomes self-fulfilling on the recruiting trail.Literally every other player Kentucky and Duke have recruited in recent memory has been over promised (e.g., with pro development and/or playing time) relative to their high school rankings. It has had no impact on their ability to continue to stockpile top 3 recruiting classes and coveted transfers. Why would NIL change that? It’s just another form of overpromising that hasn’t hurt blue bloods at all.
edit: Point-Illinois beat me to it.
Thanks to college athletics since the early 20th century, all recruiting is basically free agency. Numbers will be thrown out to the highly sought players. Highest bidder wins.
Sorry, sorry. Sometimes I can't help myself.
Now back to our regularly scheduled...
Worst. Fan base. Ever.Not to get too off topic here, but I often imagine comic book guy from the simpsons trolling loyalty as a fake insider.
Reasonable is determined by the person paying. I don't really think it's reasonable to pay $25,000 for a vacation. But someone with $10,000,000 dollars might.You may well have better information, but it’s been said that endorsement fees have to be “reasonable”. TIFWIW The specific example I heard was a guy can’t earn $100,000 for getting a picture taken with a booster/donor/sponsor. Right now it seems that is happening. Legal or not. My opinion is whatever limits are set, if any, will be broken by the usual suspects.
Yeah. Somebody might even offer one of these guys a space flight.Reasonable is determined by the person paying. I don't really think it's reasonable to pay $25,000 for a vacation. But someone with $10,000,000 dollars might.
That's just stupid! Sorry, I don't use that term often, but this justifies it's usage.I get people having high expectations and wanting to close on recruits. I feel the same.
But the fact that I've seen murmurs of "hot seat" from fans on social media is wild. We just made the tournament since who knows when and were a 1 seed. Things didn't end well, but there's a lot to be optimistic about. I'm not saying we're gonna be a top 10 team season, but I'm hopeful to end a top 25 team. Let's see how the season pans out before we start making bold statements.
How quick we forget where we were before Brad got here... I don't think these expectations would be as crazy if it wasn't for the fact he propelled us up so fast.
BU I believe is also in Atlanta today.
I'd be surprised if Title 9 had any bearing on any of this. This is $ from third parties. The university's opendorse system, or the equivalent at other schools, is open to all stident athletes. The third parties paying the students are not subject to Title 9.Yeah. Somebody might even offer one of these guys a space flight.
And, as a non-sequitur, where does Title 9 fit into all this? Lawyers and accountants (the real beneficiaries) and bears, oh my!
Yeah, you’d think … but the colleges are providing the platform for all this. Liars… er, I mean lawyers … are salivating over this for all kinds of reasons. Accountants not far behind.I'd be surprised if Title 9 had any bearing on any of this. This is $ from third parties. The university's opendorse system, or the equivalent at other schools, is open to all stident athletes. The third parties paying the students are not subject to Title 9.
I'm not sure if you didn't phrase this well, but Opendorse is a private company. they facilitate endorsements for lots of pro athletes and now are adding the colleges into their platform. They get a cut. Students can cut their own deals outside of Opendorse if they so choose.I'd be surprised if Title 9 had any bearing on any of this. This is $ from third parties. The university's opendorse system, or the equivalent at other schools, is open to all stident athletes. The third parties paying the students are not subject to Title 9.
Thanks for the info, thought that might be the case but wasn't sure. All the more reason Title 9 wouldn't be implicated.I'm not sure if you didn't phrase this well, but Opendorse is a private company. they facilitate endorsements for lots of pro athletes and now are adding the colleges into their platform. They get a cut. Students can cut their own deals outside of Opendorse if they so choose.
I think the university is going to require them to use the platform for disclosure.
You may well have better information, but it’s been said that endorsement fees have to be “reasonable”. TIFWIW The specific example I heard was a guy can’t earn $100,000 for getting a picture taken with a booster/donor/sponsor. Right now it seems that is happening. Legal or not. My opinion is whatever limits are set, if any, will be broken by the usual suspects.
I’m of the opinion we need to appreciate Alstork and we shouldn’t be disappointed in his tenure here...I'm still waiting on Mark Alstork's 20ppg.
If you read this and didn't read it aloud in the comic book guy voice, shame on you.Worst. Fan base. Ever.
At least with NIL, it’s over the table.FIFY
That's a local startup here in Lincoln that I've been following for a long time. This NIL change is going to make them a lot of money very very quickly.This. Illinois is using Opendorse. Everything is above board and fully disclosed with realistic numbers. That should be a solid long term strategy.
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If there is a "reasonable" standard somewhere, I'm sure it's an objective standard, not a subjective one. For those of you who aren't lawyers, that means it would need to be reasonable to some imaginary, average person.Reasonable is determined by the person paying. I don't really think it's reasonable to pay $25,000 for a vacation. But someone with $10,000,000 dollars might.