Nappy I_L_L
- Northern Indiana
Jay Cole was a freshman in 2015 along with DJ Williams and Aaron Jordan. I would say that was a hot minute ago.
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At this point, and after everything has changed transfer rules wise, you have to be ready for anyone to leave regardless of how dug in anyone feels.
Instagram posts, twitter etc. Doesn't matter...thing have changed to the point where kids are now taught "Get yours" and "If you are not getting what you want immediatly, move on". Thats for better or worse, because I am for players wanting to get the best out of their careers, but sometimes working hard for something and waiting until your time comes is extremely valuble and can be much better for you in the long run.
For me, just from the outside, Payne looks like #1 target to move on, even if he has to sit a year. He went from 15 mpg at Florida to coming here thinking he has a great shot at starting, to Kofi coming back and eating up all his minutes, to us getting a transfer with high upside, (I LOVE Dainja, I think the sky is the limit for him if he can keep his body in check). After all that, only plays 7 mpg. That's tough. And I think he has tremendous defensive potential. But his IQ and offense has been very underwhelming.
Instagram posts, twitter etc. Doesn't matter...thing have changed to the point where kids are now taught "Get yours" and "If you are not getting what you want immediatly, move on". Thats for better or worse, because I am for players wanting to get the best out of their careers, but sometimes working hard for something and waiting until your time comes is extremely valuble and can be much better for you in the long run.
For me, just from the outside, Payne looks like #1 target to move on, even if he has to sit a year. He went from 15 mpg at Florida to coming here thinking he has a great shot at starting, to Kofi coming back and eating up all his minutes, to us getting a transfer with high upside, (I LOVE Dainja, I think the sky is the limit for him if he can keep his body in check). After all that, only plays 7 mpg. That's tough. And I think he has tremendous defensive potential. But his IQ and offense has been very underwhelming.
Yeah I dont see it. Payne seemed bought in and seemed to have great body language with his teammates. If Kofi stays another year maybe he does go to the portal. If he can put on a lil more weight i could see him and Dainja splitting time at the 5 if we don't have a quality transfer coming in. The kid has to know if he is gonna go pro in any fashion he will be a defensive specialist. He seems to not require touches to be happy and that is a good thing and rare to find these days.
I think we're at that agree to disagree moment, so this'll be my last post on the subject, but frankly I found posts like your example distasteful when Hawkins, Melendez, Podz and others were the subjects of them throughout the season and I find it distasteful now. I just don't understand the need to speculate on outgoing transfers with specific names. Actual info is one thing, but what exactly is the value of throwing out names based on purely unfounded speculation?
Yes im sick of this take that if a kid didnt get much floor time as a freshman they are automatically "unhappy". This steady barrage of negativity gets so old on this board. We have picked up more negative nancys here in the last 3 years on our climb back to relevancy it is sickening! Take all your terrible, non informative takes back to reddit please!
sacraig
- The desert
You think these guys aren't working hard? Working hard for something doesn't mean toiling away in a suboptimal situation. These adults should absolutely look out for their own interests, and if those are best served by leaving for a better situation for them, then that's what they should do.
If you are working a dead end job and you have an opportunity to take one you think is better elsewhere, is it fair to tell you to stay where you are because it builds character to work hard? Of course not. So why do we expect the same of these athletes?
It's incumbent on Underwood and Whitman to build a program that more people want to join than want to leave.
pruman91
- interviewing new NL's daily....I really really am
I have put more posters on ignore this year than all of my other years as a member combined.....and I joined in 2007......................
The influx of new posters is good for the board and Dan .........The influx of negative posters is bad for having positive , insightful discussions about the program we all love so much .......
This naming of players that will or are thinking of transferring is not needed on this board ........at least let the players announce it first before anyone throws names out ...........
I choose to think everyone will be coming back until they don't ........But , the AM transfer last year really caught me off guard ....It really really did....
Oh, no doubt I hope he doesn't transfer. I think he could be a great defensive backup. But we do know with pretty good certainty that there will be transfers just because thats how things are right now, and it looks like (hopefully) we have more then a few good optuons for transfers in, so I'm simply speculating, I could be completely wrong and he is fully satisfied here. We also know body language can't be assumed either...Miller looked like he was having a ball all season, but we had no idea what was going on behind the scene, at least I know I didn't.
This roster, for sure is gonna look alot different next year. I'm very curious on how that happens, especially with some talent that may be coming in.
sacraig
- The desert
I'm honestly a little surprised that so much transfer speculation has been allowed. I guess the moratorium on that talk is over?
I completely agree lol. I never said I thought anyone wasn't working hard. I'm simply saying there are 2 sides to that coin. There are FOR SURE players who bounce out early from a program because they feel slighted in some way, and there are times its a terrible decision that was pushed by people they should not be listening to.
On the other hand yes, I agree, there are players who legit are not being put in the best chance to succeed and it is 100% in their best interest to move on.
It's not an exact science and everyones situation is different.
I'm not saying that you're wrong with being irritated because I agree, the negativity that has been directed towards certain people(especially on game days) and some of the comments have been out of bounds per se. That said, the beauty of message boards, if run correctly (which Dab unequivocally does, as this is by far the best) is that people have differing opinions and can debate.... especially in the off-season after a season that didn't end how we all hoped. That said, telling those who disagree with you that they should buzz off isn't right. People have varying opinions. Those should be valued, so long as they're presented in good taste. If we all have to agree and not provide thoughts until October, it's going to be an awfully long and boring off-season.
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Well its an internet bulletin board so people can pretty much say anything they want unless the moderator boots them.
Last year the transfer portal was crazy because
1. Everybody got an extra Covid year
2. It was the first time they could transfer without sitting out a year or get permission from their school
This year should be less crazy since you don't have all these super seniors looking for slots and many people have already used their 1X transfer.
However the removal of sit year definitely makes it easier to transfer. I wonder if the NCAA or B10 is going to modify the 4 year (no creaning) scholarship guarantee since the new rules are more player friendly?
Nobody expected Miller to transfer last year. I don't think Hamlin leaving was a big surprise as he never saw the court. Giorgi going to NBA was a surprise but he had sat behind Kofi for 2 years went to NBA.
I would suspect any upperclassmen who are not getting playing time would look to transfer to lower level program so they could play.
Last year the transfer portal was crazy because
1. Everybody got an extra Covid year
2. It was the first time they could transfer without sitting out a year or get permission from their school
This year should be less crazy since you don't have all these super seniors looking for slots and many people have already used their 1X transfer.
However the removal of sit year definitely makes it easier to transfer. I wonder if the NCAA or B10 is going to modify the 4 year (no creaning) scholarship guarantee since the new rules are more player friendly?
Nobody expected Miller to transfer last year. I don't think Hamlin leaving was a big surprise as he never saw the court. Giorgi going to NBA was a surprise but he had sat behind Kofi for 2 years went to NBA.
I would suspect any upperclassmen who are not getting playing time would look to transfer to lower level program so they could play.
TheFameProtector
- Champaign
Well put lol
To be clear, I think there is a distinction between talking about transfers in season vs after the season.
It's a virtual fact that there will be transfers after the season. I personally don't choose to speculate on here about who that will be, but I have an idea of who those candidates might be. And if other posters feel the need to speculate on the board, it doesn't bother me. That's half of what this board is- baseless speculation from fans who just want (need?) to talk to other people about Illini hoops. This time of year, transfers are kind of an important part of that conversation.
Unless a player is getting creaned, I don't think discussing who might transfer is much different than discussing who might go pro. In both instances, players are leaving to do what they feel is the best move for their basketball careers.
Anyway, it's fine to disagree. Rarely is my goal to get someone to agree with me. Usually I just hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
One of the great things about college sports is the fine line it walks between loyalty and change. For a long time, you had relatively little movement of players from school to school, and thus had a sense that they loved their schools and wanted to stick with them -- which fans loved. At the same time, every four (or five) years, those players would all turnover and move on and new players would arrive, bringing with them all kinds of new angst and wonder and excitement. And the old players would move on, usually to other careers -- not to other schools.
That has changed a lot in the past decade or two, where now players (reasonably) move around to find the best spot for themselves. Coaches more often "Creen" or advise players about their futures, and those players can read the writing on the wall. Fans commitment to those players is less cemented, because we know they can and will move on to other schools, and because they more often CAME from other schools.
The end result is more of a fleeting attachment -- players to schools/coaches, fans to players. Much like free agency in professional sports. The fan loyalty to the TEAM remains intact, but it's not surprising we are all more comfortable speculating or even hoping for player/roster changes in the off-season, just as I'm sure the players have an eye open to good opportunities elsewhere. It can be tricky, though -- social media really can color the way a player (either a current roster guy or a potential transfer) views a school.
That has changed a lot in the past decade or two, where now players (reasonably) move around to find the best spot for themselves. Coaches more often "Creen" or advise players about their futures, and those players can read the writing on the wall. Fans commitment to those players is less cemented, because we know they can and will move on to other schools, and because they more often CAME from other schools.
The end result is more of a fleeting attachment -- players to schools/coaches, fans to players. Much like free agency in professional sports. The fan loyalty to the TEAM remains intact, but it's not surprising we are all more comfortable speculating or even hoping for player/roster changes in the off-season, just as I'm sure the players have an eye open to good opportunities elsewhere. It can be tricky, though -- social media really can color the way a player (either a current roster guy or a potential transfer) views a school.
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
There's a cool summary on Evan Miyakawa's site if you go to the "Transfer Portal" tab - https://evanmiya.com/
Not sure how frequently it's updated as new people enter/leave the portal, though.
I understand what most people are saying on both sides. First, and foremost we shouldn't be blasting any of the players. But I think it's fair to speculate what next year's team may look like (especially with the new world of the often used portal). If on the recruiting thread we are talking about the possibility of Skyy transferring in or a big transferring in and it doesn't seem that anyone has an issue with speculating about who may be transferring in, then I don't see why we can't speculate about who may be transferring out. Aren't players going to have to transfer out if players are going to transfer in? I don't see why we can't speculate going out when we can speculate coming in? That being said, nobody should be ripping any of the players. These young men work hard and have all had a part in turning this thing around (even the guys that don't see the floor often or at all). I think it's very fair to say that Payne may be on the move b/c he expected more time but Kofi came back and now Dainja is here. That might not make him want to stay. I think it's fair to say something similar for BBV or Lieb. The team is constantly evolving year after year and even more so now with the portal. I like Payne, BBV, and Lieb - have nothing bad to say about them. But I don't understand the stance of "no speculating on who may be leaving" as long as we don't blast or rip the players.
Appreciate this response but, WWWD?
I guess my point is we should be having discussions that would encourage the player to come back. All of the players that didn't get much tic this year are gonna have ample opportunities to play next year. I could see all the early speculation if there wasn't plenty of minutes that are gonna be available next year. The roster very well could stay the same with the exception of the obvious Frazier/Williams/Plummer. Lets get back to driving this train with positive emotion and support of the players donning the O&B until they decide otherwise. And on a side note, Millers facial expressions at the end of last year gave me a pretty good idea he wasn't happy and most of that i thought stemmed from the emergence of Curbelo proving he was the better option to have as the floor general. The writing was on the wall that he was gonna be utilized more off ball.
I obviously don't see what the staff does, and what you may hear. Just as an outsider looking in I could see him giving 5-10 minutes a game in a year or two as a backup. He's got good hands and can stretch out and shoot. Something we don't have. Closest we have is Coleman, which I think we can agree we liked at the 5 for short periods of time. I remember when we got Lieb it was known he was a developmental big and everyone was excited because he was the guy that Wisconsin would normally get that would kill us in 3 years. Maybe I'm way off base, but I have faith.
Good call on that! I was absolutely shocked! Like you, I'm positive by nature, so I totally get where you're coming from.
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