2021-22 College Hoops Coaching Carousel

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Mobi
Fighter of the Nightman said:
This is the key. I happen to believe Self that he ONLY leaves Illinois for KU, provided we can provide a competitive salary. That last part was a big "if" with RG, but it is very clearly not with JW. I mean, I feel like some Illini fans still have this insecurity that we are any more of a "stepping stone job" than the likes of Syracuse, Arizona or Michigan ... but I don't think we are.

The ONLY places we have ever lost a coach to in the modern era are the NBA (which even happens to Kentucky!!) and Self to KU (where he stated it was his dream job and the one place he would leave for). In that same time span, we have straight up handpicked very successful coaches from two other major conference programs (Kruger from Florida and Underwood from Oklahoma State). This is a premier job, period. It's always going to be about money, no doubt, but I think we finally have an AD that appreciates digging out the checkbook when it matters.
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I can see Brad bolting for, say, Kentucky if they come calling (maybe not KU since he is a KSU grad.) However, with his tournament record, I don't see why Kentucky or schools on that level would want him at this point. Also he is not young, either. Color me not worried.
 
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Mobi
Thaillini22 said:
Interesting, thank you.
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I think this is OK. They will come knock on the door a lot harder when Tang is fired. With that being said, I wish Tang the best with a successful career at KSU and beating Self as much as they can.
 
#653      
Mobi
illini0440 said:
I mean think about it….he grew up there, played there, coached there, his wife is from the same area. You’re gonna listen to your alma mater.
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This completely makes sense. I told myself several time if my alma mater (which is illinois) comes calling to offer me (informally) a professor job, I will probably turn it down. Of course this most likely will not happen because a faculty job at illinois is better than my current job reputation-wise. But I will listen to them nonetheless because it is my alma mater. I will just need to explain to them why I cannot leave my current job after I hear the details of the job offer and tell them it definitely flatters me but sorry no.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman
Mobi said:
I can see Brad bolting for, say, Kentucky if they come calling (maybe not KU since he is a KSU grad.) However, with his tournament record, I don't see why Kentucky or schools on that level would want him at this point. Also he is not young, either. Color me not worried.
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I mean, do you think Holtmann would leave OSU for Kentucky? Or Lloyd leave Arizona for Kentucky? Eventually, we have to be a place that “doesn’t lose coaches,” at least in most circumstances. I think the potential (key word) here is as good as those other two programs, so if we have the money … I think we can hold onto whomever we want to keep.

It’s absolutely remarkable to say this, but how many programs in the country can say FIVE out of their last six coaches have won at least one conference title? I think that speaks to a remarkably self-sustaining program … in other words, it is NOT hard to win here. Agreed on the other points, though.
 
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altgeld88
Fighter of the Nightman said:
Maryland's fan base seems to have our passion/desire for success/high expectations without any of the Midwestern low key vibe. :LOL:
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Frankly, having observed them up close for many years, they’re insecure, easily despairing, and delusional. They make the worst of us here look like sober village elders.

Thing is… they have a strong history.
 
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CubIllini
illiniCA said:
Fans are not happy it reminds me a lot of the Mike Thomas hires in terms of leaks and unhappiness
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Delusional fan base- Lamont is a solid hire. One flash in the pan FF run by Frank Martin set expectations way too high. I do wonder why Mike Boyton wasn't given a closer look, but either way I think it is a pretty solid hire.
 
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Mobi
Fighter of the Nightman said:
I mean, do you think Holtmann would leave OSU for Kentucky? Or Lloyd leave Arizona for Kentucky? Eventually, we have to be a place that “doesn’t lose coaches,” at least in most circumstances. I think the potential (key word) here is as good as those other two programs, so if we have the money … I think we can hold onto whomever we want to keep.

It’s absolutely remarkable to say this, but how many programs in the country can say FIVE out of their last six coaches have won at least one conference title? I think that speaks to a remarkably self-sustaining program … in other words, it is NOT hard to win here. Agreed on the other points, though.
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With Holtmann's root in Kentucky (more or less a suburban of Lexington), yes, I can totally see him leaving for Kentucky. And don't forget OSU is always a football school. Arizona is more or less at the level of Kentucky so I do not see them losing Lloyd for it. I hope we eventually become one of the "IT" place but we are not there yet.
 
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coryfor3
Mobi said:
With Holtmann's root in Kentucky (more or less a suburban of Lexington), yes, I can totally see him leaving for Kentucky. And don't forget OSU is always a football school. Arizona is more or less at the level of Kentucky so I do not see them losing Lloyd for it. I hope we eventually become one of the "IT" place but we are not there yet.
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I know these are hypotheticals but Holtmann would never belong at Kentucky. Doesn't mean he wouldn't take it. Just doesn't seem like a good match.
 
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FrankNitty30
STLflyinIllini said:
I definitely don't remember there being a consensus about everyone wanting CM as our next coach. There definitely were some, but a lot of us were skeptical bc of his frequent sudden departures from his previous jobs that seemed to be going downhill as he left town. The thing I remember is that people were mad that it was rumored that he "chose Mizzou over us" which I think was based on some debatable info.
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Definitely not consensus. He would have been an awful hire.
 
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Mobi
coryfor3 said:
I know these are hypotheticals but Holtmann would never belong at Kentucky. Doesn't mean he wouldn't take it. Just doesn't seem like a good match.
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I don't disagree. My assumption is Holtmann might take the Kentucky job if they come calling but I suspect that will never happen unless they get hit hard by NCAA (not holding my breath) and need a clean coach image-wise.
 
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destindog
spotter said:
Yes. After the Arkansas flirtation, he signed an extension, said how happy he was at Illinois and was "in it for the long haul."

Less than a year after that, he was out the door to KU.
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Self was never in it for the long run. After he agreed to but before he signed a the UI contract there was talk of Williams leaving KU for NC. Self called the the KU AD and said he hadn't signed a contract and would go to KU if Roy Williams left. That was always his dream job.
 
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destindog
Fighter of the Nightman said:
I mean, do you think Holtmann would leave OSU for Kentucky? Or Lloyd leave Arizona for Kentucky? Eventually, we have to be a place that “doesn’t lose coaches,” at least in most circumstances. I think the potential (key word) here is as good as those other two programs, so if we have the money … I think we can hold onto whomever we want to keep.

It’s absolutely remarkable to say this, but how many programs in the country can say FIVE out of their last six coaches have won at least one conference title? I think that speaks to a remarkably self-sustaining program … in other words, it is NOT hard to win here. Agreed on the other points, though.
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I don't think this is such a bad problem to have. When you think of the previous two coaches there was never talk of them being sought after by other schools.
 
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ptgrd23
Unfortunately for us Kansas was the perfect place for Bill Self. Blue blood with looser recruiting rules/NCAA scrutiny.

Weber looked like a good fit based on his SIU success but he could not sustain the Kruger/Self success after Dee/James graduated.

Groce was a disaster but looks to be thriving back at Mid Major level. Peter principle at work.

20/20 hind sight we should have gone after Thad Matta
 
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Bigtex
ptgrd23 said:
Unfortunately for us Kansas was the perfect place for Bill Self. Blue blood with looser recruiting rules/NCAA scrutiny.

Weber looked like a good fit based on his SIU success but he could not sustain the Kruger/Self success after Dee/James graduated.

Groce was a disaster but looks to be thriving back at Mid Major level. Peter principle at work.

20/20 hind sight we should have gone after Thad Matta
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hind sight now but fore site from many.
 
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WyattEarp
ptgrd23 said:
Unfortunately for us Kansas was the perfect place for Bill Self. Blue blood with looser recruiting rules/NCAA scrutiny.

Weber looked like a good fit based on his SIU success but he could not sustain the Kruger/Self success after Dee/James graduated.

Groce was a disaster but looks to be thriving back at Mid Major level. Peter principle at work.

20/20 hind sight we should have gone after Thad Matta
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Thad got a raw deal at Ohio State IMO.
 
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