Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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ptgrd23 said:
The Cook Augustine high low post was a thing of beauty. However both of them were very athletic and Cook was a good outside shooter. That was 2003.

Dainja looks pretty big . I also don't know how you would play defense with twin towers unless you played zone. Purdue did not play their two bigs together very much. It would be a slow plodding team. On the other hand in the NCAA tournament the Illini scores were 54-53 and 68-53 so defense shut down our offense. Maybe having the option of running the high low post and playing zone might be a good change of pace for the tourney.

Coburn 7' 285 Dainja 6'9 270

Gonzage Timme 6'10 235 and Holmgren 7' 195
Kansas McCormack 6'10 250 Wilson 6'8 225
UNC Bocat 6'10 240 Manek 6'9 230
Duke Banchero 6'10 250 Williams 7''240
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Be surprised if Dain is more than 250# next season. If he is, we are going to be disappointed. Question on him is his ability to play defense. He is skilled on the offensive end.
 
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STL Illini said:
Kofi, Dain, CoHawk, Goode, RJ, Ty, Podz, Harris, Epps, Skyy.
That’s 10 deep…(with an assumption we get Skyy and Kofi stays).
Still have BBV and Lieb on the roster.
That’s 12 of the 13…..
We know that TSJ is a high priority. That’s 13.

I for one will be thrilled to have this top 11 Kofi, Dain, CoHawk, Goode, RJ, Ty, Podz, Harris, Epps, Sky and TSJ.
Truthfully, I think it’s a BT Championship caliber team with a shot at a long run in the tourney.
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Do you like winning games? Because that roster will win a lot of games.

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STL Illini said:
Kofi, Dain, CoHawk, Goode, RJ, Ty, Podz, Harris, Epps, Skyy.
That’s 10 deep…(with an assumption we get Skyy and Kofi stays).
Still have BBV and Lieb on the roster.
That’s 12 of the 13…..
We know that TSJ is a high priority. That’s 13.
That can only occur if Grandi and/or Hutch do not return.

The 3 incoming aren’t likely to re-open their recruiting.
All this talk about bringing in another big…..to fill whose scholly?
With the current “likelihood” of whose staying and who’s already committed, we have perhaps one spot after Skyy.
Brad also isn’t playing 11, 12, or 13 deep next year.
These guys aren’t entering the portal to be number 11, 12, or 13 on the depth chart.

I for one will be thrilled to have this top 11 Kofi, Dain, CoHawk, Goode, RJ, Ty, Podz, Harris, Epps, Sky and TSJ.
Truthfully, I think it’s a BT Championship caliber team with a shot at a long run in the tourney.
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Yes that would be a very good team. We'd be extremely fortunate if Kofi, Hawk, RJ, and Goode all return and then add Skyy and TSJ. I'm still skeptical all those dominoes fall in our favor. In fact if all but one of those guys is here next year, I'd be pretty happy.

We're going to be relying on a FR Point Guard (Clark and/or Epps). But that player could certainly have some nice firepower around him.
 
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londo said:
The point is that Hawkins is not a good outside shooter. 28% is not good

He could end up being a good outside shooter (certainly has the physical tools) but to consider him one at this moment in time is misleading and premature
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That's what he was saying. The comparison was Hawkins FR & SO shooting percentages against other players numbers as SRs.
 
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NarrowJ said:
That's what he was saying. The comparison was Hawkins FR & SO shooting percentages against other players numbers as SRs.
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Roger Powell's FR & SO percentages were actually better than his JR & SR percentages. I'm comfortable saying Coleman will never be the shooter Roger was. He can still be a very good player, but the original comp to Powell was way off, IMO.
 
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EyeoftheIllini said:
I like Hawk, but don’t see him first team All-BIG next year. If he sticks around the next year, he could make an All-BIG team of some sort. Hope I’m wrong and am rooting for him. Now RJ on the other hand.
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He needs to learn how to shoot and score effectively/reliably. While he certainly has the raw talent, I am not sure if he will put it together next year. My (optimistic) expectation is for him to become a spot shooter threat and get some scores around the basket. His handle needs to get better to penetrate effectively.
 
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SnakePlissken said:
but the original comp to Powell was way off, IMO
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Original comp was Powell and Ingram (who shot 14% as a SO).

Then, subsequent comps used SR numbers vs Hawkins FR/SO numbers.

Anyway, he can certainly work on his shot.
 
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SnakePlissken said:
Roger Powell's FR & SO percentages were actually better than his JR & SR percentages. I'm comfortable saying Coleman will never be the shooter Roger was. He can still be a very good player, but the original comp to Powell was way off, IMO.
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Roger can hit open three at the top of the key very reliably and a little more than that. I will be ecstatic next year if Coleman can hit open three reliably.
 
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NarrowJ said:
Original comp was Powell and Ingram (who shot 14% as a SO).
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I wouldn't have put Ingram with Powell. Ingram was very much a role player and had very limited attempts. Roger was a great shooter, and he had that skill the day he walked in the door at Illinois.

Coleman hasn't shown that level of efficiency. It would be lovely if he improves to that level, but I don't expect it to happen.
 
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SnakePlissken said:
It would be lovely if he improves to that level, but I don't expect it to happen.
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Fair enough. I'm not invested in the discussion enough to continue to try and persuade you, other than just to say players tend to improve over time with good coaching.
 
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londo said:
The point is that Hawkins is not a good outside shooter. 28% is not good

He could end up being a good outside shooter (certainly has the physical tools) but to consider him one at this moment in time is misleading and premature
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Yeah, and Dee Brown only shot 32% from 3 and 36% overall his senior year. Not sure you can label a guy as a bad shooter that makes 28% in limited irregular playing opportunities. Have to take circumstances into account. I would expect Coleman to shoot much better when he plays more regularly and has the confidence to take those shots as an upperclassman.
 
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londo said:
The point is that Hawkins is not a good outside shooter. 28% is not good

He could end up being a good outside shooter (certainly has the physical tools) but to consider him one at this moment in time is misleading and premature
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Right.....he was comparing him to seniors. He is a good outside shooter (I have eyes)...that shot a poor 3pt percentage as a sophomore.

One of his comparisons in that post was DMFW......who's % his last two years compared to his sophomore year makes those comps silly.
 
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Forget percentages for a second -- I think we will call Coleman a good shooter when we have confidence at the shot going in when he takes it.

There are guys that were on this past year's team that I had full confidence in regardless of their current percentages. If Coleman can get into that category, he's going to take a huge jump.
 
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alaskaillini said:
Yeah, and Dee Brown only shot 32% from 3 and 36% overall his senior year. Not sure you can label a guy as a bad shooter that makes 28% in limited irregular playing opportunities. Have to take circumstances into account. I would expect Coleman to shoot much better when he plays more regularly and has the confidence to take those shots as an upperclassman.
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Which is what he did when he broke out of this slump and minutes limit towards the end of the season. 35% from 3 his last 9 games when he started taking more per game.
 
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londo said:
The point is that Hawkins is not a good outside shooter. 28% is not good

He could end up being a good outside shooter (certainly has the physical tools) but to consider him one at this moment in time is misleading and premature
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I think he is good defensively, but lacks confidence offensively. Basically Adam Miller redux.
 
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alaskaillini said:
Yeah, and Dee Brown only shot 32% from 3 and 36% overall his senior year. Not sure you can label a guy as a bad shooter that makes 28% in limited irregular playing opportunities. Have to take circumstances into account. I would expect Coleman to shoot much better when he plays more regularly and has the confidence to take those shots as an upperclassman.
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He averaged 26 mins a game and shot 20% from 3 in the NCAA Tournament this year. "limited irregular playing opportunities" is inaccurate

I'd love to see him improve and become All-B1G and an elite 3-point shooter as much as the next guy, but he needs to make a significant jump this offseason to reach that goal
 
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ptgrd23 said:
I am sure Andre wants to play in NBA. To do so he must

* get stronger
* develop a mid range jumper
* get rid of sloppy turnovers
* learn to play in team concept on offense. No coach wants their pg dribbling for 20 seconds while rest of team stands around. Good role model would be Trey Young or Ja Morant. However both them are good shooters.
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If he ever plays in the NBA I will be very surprised.
 
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