Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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disagree. he had Trent Frazier guarding him and we threw the house at him. he had to carry a team on a nightly basis. he would get much better looks at a school like Illinois where he does not have to force shots
I understand the historically supported hesitation some have regarding expecting mid-major stats to translate to P5, but I have to say that 8.8(!) and 6.7 rebounds per game the past two seasons for a 6-4 guard is very impressive. He has also shot 82.0/80.2/82.7 from the FT line in his 3 years, and 38.3/40.7 from 3 the past 2 years. If he's here as a role player (as you allude to above) he would seem to be an intriguing possibility.
 
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pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Since it’s been a bit slow regarding recruiting…perhaps a bit of levity.
We live in metro STL. My step-daughter is a junior in HS and is a brainiac. We’ve visited a number of schools to find the best fit for her and what she wants to study (Neuro-Psych research, PhD program)
Have visited the honors program at the beloved, as well as U of Chicago, Vandy, IU and Purdue. (Yeah, yeah on IU and Purdue, but they do have good academic programs). Not sure what the best fit will end up being….
Her HS had a field trip yesterday to see Mizzou and she tagged along to chill with her friends. No interest in Mizzou, but a fun day for her.
Since they were a large group (45 students) touring Mizzou, everyone knew they were in for a visit. Every time a Mizzou student walked by and said “M I Z” , she simply help up her flash cards.
Most people didn’t know what she was referencing, but there was a group of her and her friends that would reply with “N O Z”and she said they had tons of laughs with it.

I could not be more proud of the way she’s being raised.

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What proven offensive firepower do we have? We return like 13 points per game. We lost over 80% of our scoring. We don’t need more defense. This is the big tens problem and why they don’t win more. An over emphasis on defense. Good offense will always beat good defense. I could care less how anyone defends. We need proven guys who can put the ball in the hoop.
That's weird... The teams that knocked us out of the tournament the last two years were in the top 10 in defensive efficiency.

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Just a little something to chew on regarding whether or not being good defensively matters...
 
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That's weird... The teams that knocked us out of the tournament the last two years were in the top 10 in defensive efficiency.

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Just a little something to chew on regarding whether or not being good defensively matters...
And how did those teams do later in the tourney? Pretty sure they lost right the next round? Loyola scored 58 points and Houston scored 44 in their respective loses.

2022 Kansas- 6 OFF/ 17 DEF
2022 NC- 18 OFF/ 35 DEF
2021 baylor- 2 OFF/ 22 DEF
2021 Gonzaga- 1 OFF/ 18 DEF
2019 Virginia- 2 OFF/ 5 DEF
2018 Villanova 1 OFF/ 11 DEF
2017 North Carolina- 9 OFF/ 11 DEF
2016 nova- 3 OFF/ 5 DEF
2016- North Carolina 1 OFF/ 21 DEF

Defense gives you a high floor. But offense gives you the ceiling you need. The trend shows you need a top offense to win.
 
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What proven offensive firepower do we have? We return like 13 points per game. We lost over 80% of our scoring. We don’t need more defense. This is the big tens problem and why they don’t win more. An over emphasis on defense. Good offense will always beat good defense. I could care less how anyone defends. We need proven guys who can put the ball in the hoop.
I think like >90% of the final four teams over the past 15 years have been in the top 50 in net defensive rankings.
 
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And how did those teams do later in the tourney? Pretty sure they lost right the next round right? Loyola scored 58 points and Houston scored 44 in their respective loses.

2022 Kansas- 6 OFF/ 17 DEF
2022 NC- 18 OFF/ 35 DEF
2021 baylor- 2 OFF/ 22 DEF
2021 Gonzaga- 1 OFF/ 18 DEF
2019 Virginia- 2 OFF/ 5 DEF
2018 Villanova 1 OFF/ 11 DEF
2017 North Carolina- 9 OFF/ 11 DEF
2016 nova- 3 OFF/ 5 DEF
2016- North Carolina 1 OFF/ 21 DEF

Defense gives you a high floor. But offense gives you the ceiling you need. The trend shows you need a top offense to win.
All this trend shows is that you need a top offense AND defense, which makes sense considering were talking about winning championships. Every single team that won a championship in the last 6 years like you showed has a top 25 defense. So to say you don't care about defense is absurd. If we have the #1 offense in the country, but the #100 defense we will just end up like Iowa or Purdue, getting upset by a team that we can't guard.
 
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But how is his defense? That is obviously what BU values first right now. We have some offensive firepower, but need some veterans who can come in and teach these young guys how to defend at a high level.
I hope we do but I am not sure what we really have. The guys that handled, shot, and scored the ball and created for others the vast majority of the time are gone. I think RJ likely has some firepower otherwise it's really unproven just yet. I think we should have some with Sky and RJ but we still need to see what happens with them handling the ball most of the things me. It will be a new situation for them vs this type of talent. Hopefully they will kill it
 
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NEIlliniFan

No longer in New England
"Offense wins games, Defense wins championships" - attributed to Bear Bryant, the philosophy adopted by many successful coaches including Geno Auriemma who also said "To win a championship, you not only have to be good, you have to be lucky."
 
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And how did those teams do later in the tourney? Pretty sure they lost right the next round? Loyola scored 58 points and Houston scored 44 in their respective loses.

2022 Kansas- 6 OFF/ 17 DEF
2022 NC- 18 OFF/ 35 DEF
2021 baylor- 2 OFF/ 22 DEF
2021 Gonzaga- 1 OFF/ 18 DEF
2019 Virginia- 2 OFF/ 5 DEF
2018 Villanova 1 OFF/ 11 DEF
2017 North Carolina- 9 OFF/ 11 DEF
2016 nova- 3 OFF/ 5 DEF
2016- North Carolina 1 OFF/ 21 DEF

Defense gives you a high floor. But offense gives you the ceiling you need. The trend shows you need a top offense to win.
Uh, in their next game Houston beat No. 1 seed and a team many picked to win it all, Arizona.
 
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And how did those teams do later in the tourney? Pretty sure they lost right the next round? Loyola scored 58 points and Houston scored 44 in their respective loses.

2022 Kansas- 6 OFF/ 17 DEF
2022 NC- 18 OFF/ 35 DEF
2021 baylor- 2 OFF/ 22 DEF
2021 Gonzaga- 1 OFF/ 18 DEF
2019 Virginia- 2 OFF/ 5 DEF
2018 Villanova 1 OFF/ 11 DEF
2017 North Carolina- 9 OFF/ 11 DEF
2016 nova- 3 OFF/ 5 DEF
2016- North Carolina 1 OFF/ 21 DEF

Defense gives you a high floor. But offense gives you the ceiling you need. The trend shows you need a top offense to win.
I would also say that is isn't hard to motivate people on offense. Everyone wants to score. Not everyone wants to play hard on defense, and without that pride and attitude, you won't succeed. There will be nights when your shots aren't falling, and often times those come in high pressure situations. Good defense leads to easy opportunities on offense. We won more than a couple games last year because we were able to make the game ugly enough to give us a chance despite poor shooting.
Watch how a guy plays defense, and you will find out a lot about what kind of competitor he is.
 
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Uh, in their next game Houston beat No. 1 seed and a team many picked to win it all, Arizona.
Loyola got beat by Oregon state only scoring 58 points. And Houston got beat by nova scoring 44 points. Defense gives you a higher floor. But our offensive struggles have been the reasons we haven’t gone further in the tourney. Oregon state put up a solid offensive performance against Loyola. In our last 3 tourney games we have shot 39% from the field and 23% from three. Our defense has given us a chance to win these games. Our offense remains the issue.
 
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MDchicago

Lake Norman NC
That's weird... The teams that knocked us out of the tournament the last two years were in the top 10 in defensive efficiency.

And no team has won a NCAA championship in the last 20 years that was not ranked in the top 22 (out of 350+ D1 programs) of KenPom's adjusted defensive efficiency rating (17 of the last 20 champions were in the top 15). Defense matters.
 
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And no team has won a NCAA championship in the last 20 years that was not ranked in the top 22 (out of 350+ D1 programs) of KenPom's adjusted defensive efficiency rating (17 of the last 20 champions were in the top 15). Defense matters.
Basketball has shifted in the past 10 years. The tempo has increased. And teams that score the ball have been rewarded. Yes you can’t have an awful defense and win (Duke/Iowa) but you simply have to be a top offense team anymore. It’s the reason the big ten is routinely exposed in the tourney. We don’t score enough. 2021 UCLA is a prime example. They were 11th in OFF and 46th in defense and made the final four. In 6 games in the tourney they averaged 76 ppg (season average was 73). While giving up 67 ppg (their season average was 68). They went over their averages on offense and met their defensive averages. But came in as an 11. Because the PAC12 plays a more uptempo style of offense which leads to more tourney wins.
 
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And how did those teams do later in the tourney? Pretty sure they lost right the next round? Loyola scored 58 points and Houston scored 44 in their respective loses.

2022 Kansas- 6 OFF/ 17 DEF
2022 NC- 18 OFF/ 35 DEF
2021 baylor- 2 OFF/ 22 DEF
2021 Gonzaga- 1 OFF/ 18 DEF
2019 Virginia- 2 OFF/ 5 DEF
2018 Villanova 1 OFF/ 11 DEF
2017 North Carolina- 9 OFF/ 11 DEF
2016 nova- 3 OFF/ 5 DEF
2016- North Carolina 1 OFF/ 21 DEF

Defense gives you a high floor. But offense gives you the ceiling you need. The trend shows you need a top offense to win.
I think the trend shows that you need to be both good offensively and defensively to win a six round single elimination tournament.

If you’re have an off night on offense or run into a team that’s just absolutely on fire you can either lock down on defense or score when you have the ball to give yourself a chance.

Similar to a twin engine plane. If one fails the other can carry you to a safe landing.

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