Illinois Football Recruiting Thread

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illini80

Forgottonia
Ran a sub 4.4 40 at a Miami camp. I’m now significantly less concerned about his speed. Have no idea how you run a sub 4.4 40 and a 11.75 100m, but I’ll take it.
Werner def seems higher on him than most of us were going into this. Gotta love that kind of speed. I agree, it makes no sense compared to his 100m time, but I’d think the camp time would be legit.
 
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Illini92and96

Austin, TX
as someone who has ZERO knowledge of how this is done today, are the days where a guy holds a stopwatch and "starts" it when the gun goes off and "stops" it when the dude crosses the end line over? is this all done with lasers now so there is nothing subjective in the process anymore?
Well you start getting into debates of whether it was a red laser, orange laser, etc. and the accuracies associated with each. I wouldn’t run using anything other than red.
 
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He seems to have that blazing, explosive speed that tops out at 40-60 meters and then others catch him because they can hold their top end speed longer. For football this is want you want because you want an athlete that is packed with quick twitch muscle fiber, and he seems to have it in excess. Great pick up!
 
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Ran a sub 4.4 40 at a Miami camp. I’m now significantly less concerned about his speed. Have no idea how you run a sub 4.4 40 and a 11.75 100m, but I’ll take it.
Could easily be lack of coaching/technique for track. Smallest class of schools for Florida, only 1600 students for the entire county (including elementary). Probably not much of a track team, only one athlete from Moore Haven was in the state meet (girl, 200m at 26.19).
 
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Werner def seems higher on him than most of us were going into this.

Werner does a fantastic job at what he does. That said, it is very rare for him to be anything but positive about recruiting, so grains of salt may be needed. Unless the coach is on the very hot seat, he usually will focus on the positives. That said, it is exactly what he should be doing...just not sure it's objective
 
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as someone who has ZERO knowledge of how this is done today, are the days where a guy holds a stopwatch and "starts" it when the gun goes off and "stops" it when the dude crosses the end line over? is this all done with lasers now so there is nothing subjective in the process anymore?
Yes those days are generally gone. Nowadays Fully Automatic Timing or FAT is the way it’s done. The gun is connected to the timing system so the system automatically starts when the gun pops. There are lasers and cameras at the finish line to automatically track when the person crosses.

Hand-timing is generally off. I’ve worked with timers who have formulas for hand timing if the system goes down at all. But FAT is the standard now.
 
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derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
Ran a sub 4.4 40 at a Miami camp. I’m now significantly less concerned about his speed. Have no idea how you run a sub 4.4 40 and a 11.75 100m, but I’ll take it.
Because those are two extremely different races. No endurance needed in 40.
 
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I’ve worked with timers who have formulas for hand timing if the system goes down at all.
My “formula“ for hand timing is put your thumb down on the stopwatch when the gun goes off and put your thumb down on the stopwatch again when the runner crosses the line.

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Because those are two extremely different races. No endurance needed in 40.

Agreed, the 100 time is in meters, is the 40 time in meters also. Or is it in yards, a football field 40 like it was back in my day?
 
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Because those are two extremely different races. No endurance needed in 40.
Not much endurance needed in a 100. It’s all juice. And I stand by the idea that a football player should be able to sprint the full length of the field without running out of gas.

Could you imagine a basketball player who couldn’t sprint a down and back? Less distance but same basic premise.
 
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Joel Goodson

respect my decision™
Not much endurance needed in a 100. It’s all juice. And I stand by the idea that a football player should be able to sprint the full length of the field without running out of gas.

Could you imagine a basketball player who couldn’t sprint a down and back? Less distance but same basic premise.

Agree, but the 40 time is far more important WRT to football, IMO.
 
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Not much endurance needed in a 100. It’s all juice. And I stand by the idea that a football player should be able to sprint the full length of the field without running out of gas.

Could you imagine a basketball player who couldn’t sprint a down and back? Less distance but same basic premise.
I just don't think it is that important to sprint the whole field. Unlike basketball it almost never happens. The only time it happens is when a returner takes it to the house from the end zone and even then they aren't at full speed that entire time. Heck I'd even say 40 is a rare distance to cover at full speed as the only time that happens are on kicks and in that case it is more important to be under control and staying in your lane. Also football is all sprints with a lot of rest. 3-5 seconds of max effort and then 20-30 seconds of rest. Rinse wash and repeat for 60 minute game time with ~12 minutes of live action and additional breaks for commercials and half time.

10 and 20 yard splits and 3 cone drill are far better indications of football speed than a raw 40 time or 100 meter in my opinion.
 
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Not much endurance needed in a 100. It’s all juice. And I stand by the idea that a football player should be able to sprint the full length of the field without running out of gas.

Could you imagine a basketball player who couldn’t sprint a down and back? Less distance but same basic premise.

True but the fittnes standards are different for each sport. To me baskeball moments are stop and go with more excelleration and explosive movements,. And I woulld say within a smailler confined space. Noyt sasying footbal does not have that but I feel BB does much more so.
 
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derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
Agreed, the 100 time is in meters, is the 40 time in meters also. Or is it in yards, a football field 40 like it was back in my day?
40 yards. Deceleration happens after you reach top speed. The fastest decelerates the least.
 
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Ran a sub 4.4 40 at a Miami camp. I’m now significantly less concerned about his speed. Have no idea how you run a sub 4.4 40 and a 11.75 100m, but I’ll take it.

Assuming no one has responded to this.

So, 4.4 for 40 YARDS, 11.75 for 100 METERS

40 yds = 36.5 meters. So, 40 yds is approx/rounded to 1/3 of 100 meters. so, 4.4x3 ~=13.2 seconds (there is a bias in this number granted). So, 11.75 is actually pretty good.
 
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derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
Not much endurance needed in a 100. It’s all juice. And I stand by the idea that a football player should be able to sprint the full length of the field without running out of gas.

Could you imagine a basketball player who couldn’t sprint a down and back? Less distance but same basic premise.
This just isn’t true. I know it appears that sprinters aren’t slowing down in the 100 m but they absolutely are.

They are not in the 40 yard dash.
 
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derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
Assuming no one has responded to this.
So, 4.4 for 40 YARDS, 11.75 for 100 METERS

40 yds = 36.5 meters. So, 40 yds is approx/rounded to 1/3 of 100 meters. so, 4.4x3 ~=13.2 seconds (there is a bias in this number granted). So, 11.75 is actually pretty good.
Problem is the first 10 yards took way longer than the last 10.
 
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