St. Louis Cardinals 2022

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jrichisamazing

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I think the organization owes it to Waino and Yadi to try and set them up to be World Series contenders this year. If not Soto, I really hope something else is in the works.

I wonder if most of the league is kind of waiting to see what happens with Soto, and we get a flurry of deals come in once that gets figured out.
 
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wpr

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Some times casually glancing at a news feed can get our adrenaline flowing.
I glanced at the news feed on my phone.
First one was a story from "the Hill". I don't know why they send me their links but I scroll past. Second one was something about a cast member for a play somewhere. Again, Google has no idea of what interests me but whatever.
Third headline, "Breaking TA 7/30/2022: Cards Trade Sosa for Depth Reliever,"
My head was spinning. I thought it said "Breaking news 7/31/2022: Cards trade FOR SOTO for a reliever."
I am thinking, "WHAT? A reliever? How is that even possible?" I look and see it is from Via El Birdos site.
I looked a second time and on the third I could focus enough to see "Sosa" not "Soto". Dyslexia is a pain.
 
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champaignchris

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wpr said:
Can Jordan Walker be another Soto? His slash line for 2 years in the minors is .311 .389 .531 .920 While Soto in 5 years in the majors is .291 .426 .537 .963
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Jordan Walker is in AA.

When Juan Soto was Walker’s age, he hit .282/.401/.548 with 34 HR, 110 RBI, and 108 BB in the regular season for the Nationals. He then OPS’ed 1.178 in the World Series while winning a ring.
 
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the juiceman cometh

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Well, this is one of the stranger deadline moves I've seen in a while. Despite the strangeness of a team in 1st place trading away its closer, I kinda like the Brewers' side of this deal more. I think Devin Williams moves to the closer role now and he's been better this year than Hader.

www.mlb.com

Padres to acquire Hader from Crew in 5-player trade (source)

SAN DIEGO -- The Padres got the closer they were looking for -- and they pulled off a doozy of a deal to make it happen. San Diego is acquiring left-hander Josh Hader from Milwaukee in a wild trade that sees the Major Leagues’ top two saves leaders switching teams
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champaignchris

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Hader and Rogers are putting up pretty similar stats this season, but obviously Hader has the far better overall track record. Rogers is a FA after this season; Hader has a year and a half of control.

The Brewers have a year and a half to see if they can get Lamet healthy and throwing well again. He’s probably going to be annoyingly good for them.

Ruiz has killed minor league pitching this year, but hasn’t had much of a chance to show what he can do in the Majors. I imagine he’ll get a shot at the Brewers’ disaster of a CF position. He’s 20-something in most of the Padre prospect rankings I’ve seen.

The minor league pitcher is ranked somewhere between 7th and 15th in the Padres’ system and is a 23 year old putting up meh numbers in high A. Who knows.

The Padres are clearly going for it and getting two playoff runs with Hader closing things out is a compete no brainer here. In return the Brewes are getting a probable 8th inning guy for the rest of the year, some inexperienced outfield help, and a couple pitching lottery tickets. I think the Padres are really taking advantage of an elite closer having a bad month.
 
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wpr

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champaignchris said:
Jordan Walker is in AA.

When Juan Soto was Walker’s age, he hit .282/.401/.548 with 34 HR, 110 RBI, and 108 BB in the regular season for the Nationals. He then OPS’ed 1.178 in the World Series while winning a ring.
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I realize Soto was much younger and in the majors.
 
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the juiceman cometh

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the juiceman cometh
champaignchris said:
Hader and Rogers are putting up pretty similar stats this season, but obviously Hader has the far better overall track record. Rogers is a FA after this season; Hader has a year and a half of control.

The Brewers have a year and a half to see if they can get Lamet healthy and throwing well again. He’s probably going to be annoyingly good for them.

Ruiz has killed minor league pitching this year, but hasn’t had much of a chance to show what he can do in the Majors. I imagine he’ll get a shot at the Brewers’ disaster of a CF position. He’s 20-something in most of the Padre prospect rankings I’ve seen.

The minor league pitcher is ranked somewhere between 7th and 15th in the Padres’ system and is a 23 year old putting up meh numbers in high A. Who knows.

The Padres are clearly going for it and getting two playoff runs with Hader closing things out is a compete no brainer here. In return the Brewes are getting a probable 8th inning guy for the rest of the year, some inexperienced outfield help, and a couple pitching lottery tickets. I think the Padres are really taking advantage of an elite closer having a bad month.
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Hader's probably going to make around $15 mil or more at arb and the team is better off in the short term with Williams as closer. A team with high ambitions and money to blow doesn't and shouldn't make this move but Brewers were never going to pay that much money to a bullpen arm so at least this way they get some prospects back and don't (in my opinion) hurt their chances at making this year's playoffs. They don't have a realistic chance to make a deep playoff run and don't have the prospects or money to bring in big names anyway.
 
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pruman91

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I had a bud of mine just texted me that the Dodgers were getting Soto..............4-5 prospects coming to the Nats...........anyone else see or hear that ??? ..........
 
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pruman91

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wpr

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Typical Mo move. Old pitcher on last legs gets to rent a slot in the rotation for a few months.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
If they couldn't get Montas, I'm not opposed to this move. Especially if they're gonna use him as a back end of the rotation guy anyway.
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How many back of the rotation guys do you want?

Hudson at best is a 3 but he can't put it together for 3 innings. He can't even put together an inning without letting runners get on base.
Matz is a 5.
Hicks is a Hudson clone.
I have hope for Liberatore he is a year or two away from becoming a solid pitcher.
Naughton? Back of the order.
Flaherty. Doesn't count until he pitches.
Waino is 100 years old. He's done an outstanding job but he should be expected to be a 1 or 2. At the beginning of the season it was thought he would be #4.
Mikolas is the #1 this year but he should be a 2 or 3 himself.
I skipped over Pallante on purpose. At the beginning of spring training no one thought of him making the team let alone being a #3. His numbers reflect #4. You can't call him a #3 when he has faced only 8 teams as a starter. Clearly his numbers as a reliever are better.

With the injuries they have faced they need a solid #2 not another back of the rotation pitcher. Not another old man who they hope can last into October. He may be having a solid season but it's the first time since his 1/2 season with the Cubs in 2017 that he has had a good performance.