Idk man it takes away the #1 guy to pass him the ball
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the numbers are in English, lol:
Kinda weird not seeing him in an Illini uniform.
Those bone bruises can take a long time. I’d think either Ayo, Caruso, or Dragic will end up starting for awhile
Even if Lonzo was healthy, I still think that Bulls are probably a play-in team in the East. Even moreso now with the Donovan Mitchell trade to the Cavs.
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Goillinikobd
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Hope he goes off for 20 pts his first game
Thanks. Was just asking about him.
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lotta smokin' babes in Portugal. I think Monte's gonna have a good time.
Ayo still has something to prove this year with his 2 year deal expiring. Hope he gets the PT to do so.
Interesting projection: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/ayo-dosunmu/
The 46 million dollar over 5 year value projection is pretty sweet if Ayo can be realize it. Ayo is currently at ~1.5 million a year. Bulls got a steal. But Ayo needs to cash in as soon as he can. NBA careers can be short.
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An interesting site. Thanks for posting it. Their summary seems to be: Above average rotation player. Definitely not a starter on a decent team. Their biggest ding is for weak defense. Ayo is weak on defense? I wonder what stat they are not capturing.
Based on the charts they have on there, it looks like his defensive rebounding and his defensive +/- (i.e. how much opponent scores against you while you're on the court versus when you're not).
Their projection is basically you are going to improve a little bit from year 1 to year 2 and then plateu. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. That kind of modeling might work for a more mature player but not against a young player only in the league for a year.
IlliniKat91
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Ayo is "more mature" than a lot of the 18 and 19 year olds being drafted. That was a big part of why he fell so far on draft night, remember.
That being said, if anyone could prove old thinking and BS metrics wrong, I believe it's Ayo. I just get why the typical NBA of thinking bears out like this.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
I feel like Ayo’s gonna outwork everyone and make a name for himself in the league. Kid’s a winner.
Whitmans Sampler
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Yep, I feel like he’s going to have a much better 2nd year than most Bulls fans expect. They don’t know his work ethic quite like we do. Especially with the recent Lonzo news.. starting PG spot is his for the taking.
Ayo's midrange game will ensure a long nba career.
That's still ridiculous that a player drafted by their junior/senior year can only improve for a year in NBA.
IlliniKat91
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I don't disagree with you. The NBA reasoning is ridiculous, but we all heard that was the knock on Ayo after the Draft. What their metrics don't acknowledge is that some guys, like Ayo, have that dog in them and will do everything in their power to continue to improve.
I don't think it's going to hold true for Ayo, but given that it equates to about 24/25 years old I'm not surprised. What percentage of drafted players make it further than that before they're out of the league? Probably not the majority. I've seen that the average NBA career is about 4.5 years. Given the length of careers for the guys that do stick dragging that number up, I'd guess the median length is probably lower than that. With most players these days getting drafted at 19 or 20 years old, that means most will be out of the league by the time they get to age 24, which is the age Ayo will be halfway through the 2023-2024 season.
The flip side is there are a ton of guys who don't even last one year.
Ayo will stick. Not sure what his ceiling is, but he's off to a great start considering how much they underestimated him on draft night.
I agree, just pointing out that when making a projection model, it's not unreasonable of that you'd project a 2nd round draft pick (or even a 1st round non-lottery pick) to plateau at around 24/25 years of age. It makes sense for the model. And that's what fivethirtyeight does, they create models based on historical data and make projections based on that. They don't individually evaluate each and every player. There will always be players that don't perfectly fit the model and all of us here think Ayo is one of those guys.
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