Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
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I'm equally excited about the recent recruiting success and I think we look successful because we've gone after guys that we can get.

Keep in mind that we haven't played a single game with the 2022, 2023 and 2024 recruits yet. It's been a long summer dreaming about all the games and championships we're going to win and now we need to go out there and actually win them so we can take recruiting up another notch!

I'm also guessing that NIL expectations get higher in the top 25 or 15 and we're maximizing value not throwing all our money at one recruit
I think that we have been very good with NIL expectations (offers) in comparison to some other P5 schools landing some very good recruits that we typically would strike out on....probably....and I say probably these P5 schools were caught a little off guard as to the effects of NIL....thinking the old way of doing business was still good enough to bring in the top recruits....but as these schools become more efficient with NIL offers, will this again level the playing field for top 100 recruits...kind of going back to the way it was before?? Maybe.....but as long as we have the coaching staff that we currently have, I believe we will continue to have a leg up so to speak with many of these top recruits....I've been an Illini follower for 60+ years and this current recruiting success is the best I can remember:hailtotheorange:
 
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theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
I want to acknowledge that we are recruiting at a high high level. I am not sad where and who we are targeting. I'm not complaining, but I wonder why we aren't targeting more elite 5 star rated players? I get we target the underappreciated 4 stars that could easily be 5 stars, but is it because we sell ourselves as a development program and it's a sell that doesn't work as well with the top 15? I have just been surprised that once in a while we haven't had our success hasn't put us in contention for more "elite" top 15 talents. Amazing that our sweet spot right now is 30-100. I remember the day when top 100 was a gift! We've come a long long way
I think that there have been many great points made.
These top 15-25 guys expect a lot of money. Is the staff/guardians willing to go there yet?
I do feel like there is a stereotype, especially with the top rated underclassman prospects, that they don't need to work as hard. Brad is looking for everyday guys, that put in the work, are down to earth and COACHABLE. Not saying these top rated players can't be that, but when these types of traits are hard to find on their own in general, it gets harder when you're looking at the 25 best players and then competing with the entire country.

My two cents: I think Brad likes guys that will be here for 2 or more years. It's hard to learn a system and implement it perfectly in 1 year. Take a guy like RJ. He's coming into his second year, he got to know the system last year and build chemistry with this team. If we didn't have RJ, would a 5* do better in his role? Maybe on the offensive side, but hard no on defense. Truly dominant college players are typically not freshman.
 
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I'm equally excited about the recent recruiting success and I think we look successful because we've gone after guys that we can get.

Keep in mind that we haven't played a single game with the 2022, 2023 and 2024 recruits yet. It's been a long summer dreaming about all the games and championships we're going to win and now we need to go out there and actually win them so we can take recruiting up another notch!

I'm also guessing that NIL expectations get higher in the top 25 or 15 and we're maximizing value not throwing all our money at one recruit
Agree. Absent a transcendent talent like a KD or Zion (when healthy), I think the trend in college has generally been an upperclassman who is borderline NBA level (like TSJ) generally has an advantage over a 5 star frosh who will be picked in the lottery. Who ultimately has a better pro career/makes more money is a different issue.

I think you can sprinkle in a couple of 5 stars but successful teams nowadays I think are built on really good players who may or may not make the NBA but stick around at least 2-3 years. I think the RJs, Epps, Rogers and Hansberrys are all right in that sweet spot.

Even Cal adjusted how he constructs his roster. The 2 biggest reasons for UK’s turnaround last year were Wheeler and Oscar, neither of whom is likely to make a huge impact in the NBA.

I really like the level we are recruiting at and am not overly concerned about taking it up a level. Would I love the occasional 5 star? Sure. But I don’t think we need to become Duke or UK to win at a high level, up to and including F4s and NCs.
 
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I want to acknowledge that we are recruiting at a high high level. I am not sad where and who we are targeting. I'm not complaining, but I wonder why we aren't targeting more elite 5 star rated players? I get we target the underappreciated 4 stars that could easily be 5 stars, but is it because we sell ourselves as a development program and it's a sell that doesn't work as well with the top 15? I have just been surprised that once in a while we haven't had our success hasn't put us in contention for more "elite" top 15 talents. Amazing that our sweet spot right now is 30-100. I remember the day when top 100 was a gift! We've come a long long way
This is the trap every developing program has to face (and it's what tanked Weber). Calipari at Memphis is probably the gold standard. Built a roster & culture of his dudes (mostly top 25-100) and then went big game hunting (Evans/Rose/Etc). Wright more recently with Villanova did the same.

Illinois has not earned it's way into those conversations, yet. Let's get past the 1st weekend of the tournament and get a couple more Illini in the NBA...then I think it becomes reasonable & likely.
 
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I want to acknowledge that we are recruiting at a high high level. I am not sad where and who we are targeting. I'm not complaining, but I wonder why we aren't targeting more elite 5 star rated players? I get we target the underappreciated 4 stars that could easily be 5 stars, but is it because we sell ourselves as a development program and it's a sell that doesn't work as well with the top 15? I have just been surprised that once in a while we haven't had our success hasn't put us in contention for more "elite" top 15 talents. Amazing that our sweet spot right now is 30-100. I remember the day when top 100 was a gift! We've come a long long way
I get what you are saying - we're good again in basketball so why can't we get the top 15 kids like Duke, KY, Kansas. In reality, even in our hayday under Henson or Kruger or Self we didn't get top 15 kids and the rare ones we did get were IL kids. The decline in IL HS basketball talent is one very obvious culprit. Chicago used to produce some of the top HS talent in the country, that's just not true anymore, IN has been a better source of talent recently than IL. But Brad and staff have done a good job expanding our reach throughout the MW and even some east coast kids, but our bread and butter for pulling in top kids and winning against the elite schools will always be Midwest kids that grew up watching IL

James Brown is the next top 25-30 kid that would be a huge get - he could be a McD AA and will bring a lot of attention in recruiting circles if we land him. We just need to get kids like him when they are IL guys and supplement with really good guys in the 30-70 range in the rankings which the staff has done a great job of talent evaluation to land the best of the bunch in that range. I think we can compete in NIL money with most schools now except a few, so that shouldn't be an issue
 
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I want to acknowledge that we are recruiting at a high high level. I am not sad where and who we are targeting. I'm not complaining, but I wonder why we aren't targeting more elite 5 star rated players? I get we target the underappreciated 4 stars that could easily be 5 stars, but is it because we sell ourselves as a development program and it's a sell that doesn't work as well with the top 15? I have just been surprised that once in a while we haven't had our success hasn't put us in contention for more "elite" top 15 talents. Amazing that our sweet spot right now is 30-100. I remember the day when top 100 was a gift! We've come a long long way
I don’t know if it is that we haven’t targeted them — or at least offered them — but I think it takes time to pull those players in. Takes time to build relationships and it really hasn’t been that long since the Illini are back on the national stage. Have to remember these kids are young and the Flying Illini and such don’t mean I thing to them.

According to 24/7, the Illini offered 10 5*s in 2021 class, 8 in 2022, 6 in 2023, and 12 in 2024 class thus far. If a recruit doesn’t really show much interest, better to move on and put your resources somewhere else. Add in the fact that BU and staff are looking for particular traits in players — high up there being coachable and quality individuals — and we just haven’t seen a 5* choose the Illini yet. Keep winning, put some more players in NBA, and give the staff time to develop early relationships with the top players and it will happen.
 
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I get what you are saying - we're good again in basketball so why can't we get the top 15 kids like Duke, KY, Kansas. In reality, even in our hayday under Henson or Kruger or Self we didn't get top 15 kids and the rare ones we did get were IL kids. The decline in IL HS basketball talent is one very obvious culprit. Chicago used to produce some of the top HS talent in the country, that's just not true anymore, IN has been a better source of talent recently than IL. But Brad and staff have done a good job expanding our reach throughout the MW and even some east coast kids, but our bread and butter for pulling in top kids and winning against the elite schools will always be Midwest kids that grew up watching IL

James Brown is the next top 25-30 kid that would be a huge get - he could be a McD AA and will bring a lot of attention in recruiting circles if we land him. We just need to get kids like him when they are IL guys and supplement with really good guys in the 30-70 range in the rankings which the staff has done a great job of talent evaluation to land the best of the bunch in that range. I think we can compete in NIL money with most schools now except a few, so that shouldn't be an issue
I agree with this. I also look at the talent that has left the state for one reason or another for the past few years. Kids have gone to Donda, La Lumiere, Montverde, and other schools to escape Illinois. They want to play and practice against the best of the best. They go to these powerhouse schools and get noticed even more while being on the big stage. Like you mentioned, hopefully with NIL & Tim Anderson on these streets, things should be better.
 
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theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
And we were just talking about not offering 5 stars.....
to be fair GIF

We offer plenty of 5*, we just don't often get them in the door.
Sky Clark was considered a 5* when we were recruiting him this spring.
Trey McKenney (taking his unofficial this weekend) is a fringe 4-5*
 
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blackdog

Champaign
to be fair GIF

We offer plenty of 5*, we just don't often get them in the door.
Sky Clark was considered a 5* when we were recruiting him this spring.
Trey McKenney (taking his unofficial this weekend) is a fringe 4-5*
I was referencing the conversation on the previous page of this thread that started with a poster commenting that our sweet spot was 30-100 ranked players and wondering why the staff didn't target the elite 5 star types.

Edit: Which I agree with you doesn't seem like an accurate statement.
 
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theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
I was referencing the conversation on the previous page of this thread that started with a poster commenting that our sweet spot was 30-100 ranked players and wondering why the staff didn't target the elite 5 star types.

Edit: Which I agree with you doesn't seem like an accurate statement.
For sure.
I Def think we are looking more in the 30-100 range but were starting to creep up into the 30's and now 20's. I'm not sure we want to go higher than that for reasons in my previous post.
Fringe 4/5* that stay 2-3 years is IMO the ideal prospects to get.
 
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Taking rankings with a grain of salt, but just saw JJ taylor at 117 on 247, 64 composite. What a fall from a guy we thought would go Pro or blue-blood. Eerily similar to Mike Shaw, AJ Casey and Tommy Hamilton. Wondering where he commits to.
 
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Taking rankings with a grain of salt, but just saw JJ taylor at 117 on 247, 64 composite. What a fall from a guy we thought would go Pro or blue-blood. Eerily similar to Mike Shaw, AJ Casey and Tommy Hamilton. Wondering where he commits to.
Shaw ended up at Bradley, stayed at De Lasalle all 4 years but when I look at those names the first thing that jumps out is transfers! JJ should have just stayed put at Morgan Park.
 
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