Illinois wins in a good shooting night, 84-67.
Illinois wins in a good shooting night, 84-67.
From internetOk. Serious question here. Me = engineer, used probability distribution functions as part of work for some number of years. Wife = advanced degree in mathematics, PhD in physics, uses a lot of statistics. Neither of us has heard of "true mean". What is this? Who made this up? Why?
The one thing I still have a problem with is the amount the losses have been by , usually in double figures......is it because of the great play by our opponents or a lack of cohesion by the Illini players........2 games that I had counted before the season as wins were the loss to psu , at home , and the road loss to the mildcats.......Therefore , I am not overlooking any B$G game remaining in the season.................Pondering this subject has lead me down that pondering wanderingpath and let's just get it out in public before i make my prediction of tonight's game ....therefore , the pondering rainbow as we know it .................................
What you want is a deep team during the season so your starters/main rotation guys don’t have to play tons of minutes and burn themselves out. Then, in the postseason, you shorten the rotation and let your well-rested core rotation guys play heavier minutes. It’s the same theory in the NBA.I’ve always seen the stat that Final Four teams actually have minutes pretty “tight” with the starters and then about 3-4 bench guys who play … so putting the “deep is good” thing to the test. Maybe we’re trying to really settle into a routine?
Ponder on my friend.......I will be there cheering....and extra loud on each RJM hoop(s)View attachment 23232I've been pondering this game for a while now.........( not really , but it sounded good )..........nebby is a game we should win by double digits if we play anything close to our average game , especially at home.........
We need to keep on keepin on , as we overcome the terrible 0-3 start to the B$G........Many changes have been made this year on offense and defense that has refined our play to use our strength's to our best advantage........MM has been profusive in his praise of BU and staff for making said changes and our record shows the changes have been what we needed to get back in the thick of the B$G race........
The one thing I still have a problem with is the amount that the losses have been by , usually in double figures......is it because of the great play by our opponents or a lack of cohesion by the Illini players........2 games that I had counted before the season as wins were the loss to psu , at home , and the road loss to the mildcats.......Therefore , I am not overlooking any B$G game remaining in the season.................Pondering this subject has led me down that pondering wandering path and let's just get it out in public before i make my prediction of tonight's game ....therefore , the pondering rainbow as we know it .................................
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WOW................now my mind is focused on the task at hand and I believe............................
Illini 82
nebby 69
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pru , as usual I concur with your well thought out prediction and am looking forward to your dancing gifts post game .....I really really am .......................................
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Absolutely.You left out Lieb, Perrin and Nico.
Brother Pru, I'm on your wavelngth. I, too, have pondered this. The NW, Miznoz and PSU losses I chalk up to poor cohesion. We're long past that, for whatever reason... Skyy stepping away from the team, MM and BU achieving an understanding, and, most importantly, IMO, the team learning to play together and defend relentlessly.
BU explained away the IU blowout with the "tired legs" and "MM sick" excuse. While the latter was certainly relevant, I'm not buying the former. We all recall some absolutely brutal stretches, in 2021 for example, when the boys had multiple 2- or 3-day turnarounds and kept winning.
Take a look at the stretch from Feb. 12 through Mar. 6, 2021, COVID season. Eight games in 23 days. Six of these on the road. Four of those road games at MSU, and at ranked teams Wisconsin (23), Michigan (2) and OSU (7). The final three of those four were after Sissoko assaulted Ayo in EL and broke his nose.
Here are the seven intervals between each of those eight games: 4-4-3-2-2-3-4. FROM MID-FEBRUARY THROUGH EARLY MARCH.
Brutal. And yet we were 7-1 over those eight games, including the epic destruction of asterisk-"champion" Michigan.
It was toughness, character, competitiveness, and desire to win. That's what the current team has lacked until recently. Doesn't surprise me at all. Preseason I assumed we'd be all over the place and jell in late January. That appears to be right on schedule. Unfortunately, we don't have Ayo, Trent and Damonte willing us to victory night after night no matter how battered they are or who/where they're playing. We need some of that to get through February.
BU's brand is toughness. Our guys are looking progressively tougher the past 3-1/2 weeks since vanquishing Bucky at home. They just need to keep at it.
Lots of talk in this thread about engineering and math. Well I was a finance / economics guy. And that statuette is a terrific leading indicator for positive imagery ahead.
Says the guy from the Physical Ed. DeptLots of talk in this thread about engineering and math. Well I was a finance / economics guy. And that statuette is a terrific leading indicator for positive imagery ahead.
View attachment 23232I've been pondering this game for a while now.........( not really , but it sounded good )..........nebby is a game we should win by double digits if we play anything close to our average game , especially at home.........
We need to keep on keepin on , as we overcome the terrible 0-3 start to the B$G........Many changes have been made this year on offense and defense that has refined our play to use our strength's to our best advantage........MM has been profusive in his praise of BU and staff for making said changes and our record shows the changes have been what we needed to get back in the thick of the B$G race........
The one thing I still have a problem with is the amount that the losses have been by , usually in double figures......is it because of the great play by our opponents or a lack of cohesion by the Illini players........2 games that I had counted before the season as wins were the loss to psu , at home , and the road loss to the mildcats.......Therefore , I am not overlooking any B$G game remaining in the season.................Pondering this subject has led me down that pondering wandering path and let's just get it out in public before i make my prediction of tonight's game ....therefore , the pondering rainbow as we know it .................................
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WOW................now my mind is focused on the task at hand and I believe............................
Illini 82
nebby 69
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pru , as usual I concur with your well thought out prediction and am looking forward to your dancing gifts post game .....I really really am .......................................
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The Illini are in good hands.................................I believe..............................
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And I apologize for starting it.Says the guy from the Physical Ed. Dept
When you roll a die or flip a coin over a long enough period of time the actual outcomes should approach the calculated outcomes. But in basketball there is not a specific natural average for a team's winning percentage or three point percentage.
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altgeld , being on pru's wavelength is exciting but could be detrimental to your longevity of being of a sound mind , according to the status quo in societies norm today..........I found pru's wavelength a while back and will never go back to the foggy mindscape I had before........JMHO ......it really really is ............see , I can't stop talking about it .......I really really can't.......
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Weren't most of our opponents during the COVID year playing on similar intervals? My foggy memory is that some of them had it worse than we did. The tired legs excuse does not apply where both teams have tired legs.BU explained away the IU blowout with the "tired legs" and "MM sick" excuse. While the latter was certainly relevant, I'm not buying the former. We all recall some absolutely brutal stretches, in 2021 for example, when the boys had multiple 2- or 3-day turnarounds and kept winning.
Take a look at the stretch from Feb. 12 through Mar. 6, 2021, COVID season. Eight games in 23 days. Six of these on the road. Four of those road games at MSU, and at ranked teams Wisconsin (23), Michigan (2) and OSU (7). The final three of those four were after Sissoko assaulted Ayo in EL and broke his nose.
Here are the seven intervals between each of those eight games: 4-4-3-2-2-3-4. FROM MID-FEBRUARY THROUGH EARLY MARCH.
Brutal. And yet we were 7-1 over those eight games, including the epic destruction of asterisk-"champion" Michigan.
That's a good point. For both of our Nebraska games they clearly had it worse than we did. Other teams not so much. And (#23) Wisconsin and (#7) OSU had six days off before hosting us and losing (each by 5). Our margin of victory in three of those seven wins (MN, NE, MI, each on the road) was quite large: 5, 7, 31, 16, 5, 23, 5.Weren't most of our opponents during the COVID year playing on similar intervals? My foggy memory is that some of them had it worse than we did. The tired legs excuse does not apply where both teams have tired legs.
Ex-engineer/longtime investment finance guy here. I haven't taken or applied stats at work in probably 25 years but dimly recall that true mean is the population mean, which can't be apprehended b/c the population can't be apprehended. We're always dealing with a sampled subset of the population.
Happy to be corrected by someone who has more than a dozen synapses to rub together after a 14-hour day.
Thanks. I can google. Was looking for something more than this. The above is not exactly a mathematical definition.From internet
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An example that I can think of would be number of Illini fans (or % of people who are Illini fans) in the US Population:Thanks. I can google. Was looking for something more than this. The above is not exactly a mathematical definition.
Looks like mathematical formulas were requested.An example that I can think of would be number of Illini fans (or % of people who are Illini fans) in the US Population:
If you had a master database of the entire US population's demographic information down to person, you would be able to identify the true mean, also known as the population mean.
Almost every number that we are presented on a daily basis are sample means (generally through surveys meant to reflect the population, since it is too expensive/time consuming to pull in the data from the entire population). You will generally see this as a number then +/- some level of error. This sample mean is an estimate of the true mean.
When possible, it is best to get population means (true means), but it is almost always impractical. I think we are most used to sample means when looking at political polling data.
INI !!!Well, we'll be in 3rd place entering the NEB game. A pretty good turnaround following our 0-3 start. And NW is not going to sustain their stranglehold on 2nd place.
We've been red hot since I quit making projections on here. No sense in changing that.
ILL !!!!