Arkansas 73, Illinois 63 Postgame

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#401      

the national

the Front Range
Well, yeah. That, and throwing a punch at a teammate, and calling out the coach in the press for the offense he's running and then refusing to run that offense, and...

The day will come pretty quickly when he becomes a guy you just see in highlights once in a blue moon and otherwise can forget, and I'm looking forward to it.
So the punch thing is real?
 
#402      
If CH comes back, he will take control of this team. Is it as visibly and vocally upset after todays game. I have a feeling it has a lot to do with Epps and MM never running the plays called and being lazy on D. CH was clearly over it.
Sencire has been getting his clock cleaned on backpicks at half court all year. Communication was not a consistent strength of this team. If Coleman comes back, I don't feel like he'll let that be a problem again.
 
#403      

WWWWRocU

Herndon, VA
Definitely disappointing loss, but looking forward to making the NCAA Tourney for the fourth year in a row next season!
I am confident BU will weave his magic yet again.
 
#404      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky

DES MOINES, Iowa — Ricky Council IV scored 18 points and Arkansas survived some anxious moments in the second half against an Illinois team that wouldn’t go away, holding on to beat the Illini 73-63 in the first round of the NCAA Tournament on Thursday.
Devo Davis had 16 points for the eighth-seeded Razorbacks, who used relentless defense and rebounding to build big leads but couldn’t get comfortable until the final minute. Arkansas (21-13) faces top-seeded Kansas on Saturday in the second round of the West Region.
Terrence Shannon Jr., held scoreless the first 16 minutes, finished with 20 points to lead the Illini (20-13). It was the first time in five tournament appearances since 2011 that Illinois didn’t make it out of the first round.

The Razorbacks were up by double digits in the middle of the first half, but no lead has been safe this season. In seven games they blew leads with scoring droughts of five minutes or longer.
 
#405      
The only thing I think Underwood has done better than his recent predecessors is hire Antigua, Coleman, Frazier and Anderson.
And win.
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#407      
6 more turnovers, 11 fewer rebounds, twice as many missed three point shots.
Not going to win many of those games.
Kind of depressing given Arkansas is certainly not an "elite" team and how we literally self-destructed when we got within 5 points
Goes back to how we remained a collection of indviduals rather than a team, the parts just did not fit together very well.
As the Illini season comes to an end, one thing is certain, I will be not need as many olives

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#409      
I appreciate that coach uses media statements to build up his players. We fans probably shouldn't assume all media statements equate directly to player instructions and game plans.

Though I like what CH can do in the paint, and want to see him do it more regularly, restricting him to the paint would be wasting a competitive advantage. I can't argue with the fact that he took too many threes. If he gets more selective, the percentage should rise to a respectable number.

When daydreaming about next year, we should remember that players can improve. CH averaged 32mpg this year - up from 19 and 6 the previous two seasons. That dramatic of a leap represents an entirely new level of responsibility. Applying his intelligence to that new body of game-play experience could make for a very productive off-season - a possibility made more likely when a player is invested, as CH seems to be.
It seemed to me Coleman’s and Brad’s relationship was….teetering last season. Most of us were concerned about Coleman transferring. Now it appears they are solidly in each others corner. Coleman can be frustrating at times, but IMHO he was this team’s best all-around player. Much maturity and growth when compared to last season. And who knows what his offensive numbers would have been if we had PG who could actually get the ball to him within ten feet of the basket ( and CH was more aggresive). I really hope he comes back.
 
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Excellent points and ones I've been calling for all season to friends and relatives. Hawkins is NOT a good 3-point shooter and certainly not a point guard at 6-10 with questionable ball handling skills. So why did he spend all year roaming the perimeter, jacking up and missing treys with his flat shots, often bringing the ball upcourt and getting turned over by smaller, much quicker players?. Why Underwood didn't force him to play in the paint where his size, length and quickness would be a clear asset is beyond me. I see it as an indictment of the coaching staff, and it caused the team's offense to be less effective than it could've been
Because as lacking as he was at PG skills he was still the best option. Skyy quit. Epps couldn’t defend well enough. TSJ was worse than CH at point. Harris is a worse shooter than Hawkins.
 
#412      

2X2L

Metaluna
If CH comes back, he will take control of this team. Is it as visibly and vocally upset after todays game. I have a feeling it has a lot to do with Epps and MM never running the plays called and being lazy on D. CH was clearly over it.
I don't know that you have to proclaim him so officially, but Coleman is clearly the team captain in my book. Go ahead and put a "C" on his jersey; I won't mind at all. He deserves the honor.

I sure hope he returns.
 
#414      

Bigtex

DFW
Not arguing, genuinely curious--what would you want him to change about the staff and scheme?
How about some offensive movement. So Tired of watching 1 guy with the ball and 4 other guys "stand" at the 3 point line waiting for the ball.

After RJ's great minute - there should have been more effort to get him another shot - nope we went back to what got us in a hole and ultimately lost.

Have to improve roster BBIQ and I know we didn't have a PG but our ball handling is below average and that is saying it nicely.
 
#415      

Bigtex

DFW
We still made it to the NCAA tournament another year and we somehow put together 20 wins. Much better than watching us lose early in another NIT tournament. This game was pretty much exactly how we've played most games down the stretch. Really no surprises. So good season overall.
lets not hang our hat on 20 wins when they used to play 25-28 games - 20 wins was a nice accomplishment. Now they play 30+ and upto 40 games
 
#418      
Melendez and Mayer's shooting slumps seem to be almost unpredented.
Anyone remember similiar slumps in Illini history?
 
#419      
And frankly, this is why so many people started to walk back their expectations. It was so so obvious that we had players who weren't bought in.

And the damning part was that we just kept giving those players the keys to the team.
Unfortunately, I still think they were our best chance to win. I love our freshman but without the transfers, we would have been down there with Minnesota.
 
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It seemed to me Coleman’s and Brad’s relationship was….teetering last season. Most of us were concerned about Coleman transferring. Now it appears they are solidly in each others corner. Coleman can be frustrating at times, but IMHO he was this team’s best all-around player. Much maturity and growth when compared to last season. And who knows what his offensive numbers would have been if we had PG who could actually get the ball to him within ten feet of the basket ( and CH was more aggresive). I really hope he comes back.

Coleman has a lot of positives, and he's really, really versatile. I'd put Dain above him though --he really surprised me. Not sure why we didn't run more plays through him. I mean, I kinda know --this team fell in love with the 3 ball and kept thinking the shooting would get better.

When they moved the ball, they were a lot better. TSJ doesn't need much space to be disruptive, and I think when he had good games, it changed the character of the offense.

This team had flashes, but the way they finished makes me think the winning culture took a step back.
 
#421      
I believe he let 2-3 others out of there LOI that year so he basically signed them. Your talking semantics.
Well it was March pre-transfer portal era. He couldn’t just let everyone walk; he’d have nobody to dress that fall. What I’m talking about is identifying, during the recruiting process, players whom you think will fit and develop in your program. He wasn’t out in gyms watching Trent and Damonte with their club and HS teams. The previous staff was. It stinks Feliz didn’t get a Covid year as he could have fit the bill. It remains that BU and his staff(s) have recruited (in the most classical and well-understood sense of that word) one guard who has stayed for a 3rd year in his program. Maybe he doesn’t even care, but I wish it weren’t the case.
 
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lets not hang our hat on 20 wins when they used to play 25-28 games - 20 wins was a nice accomplishment. Now they play 30+ and upto 40 games

Eh, not so much. They were playing 33-35 games all through the 80s. The 79-80 team played 35 games. Thats been nearly 45 years ago.

Although I do agree with your general sentiment. Of course we want to strive for 25+ wins and deep tournament runs. We've done really well in conference play thr last few years, but we aren't seeing the success when it really counts.
 
#423      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
How about some offensive movement. So Tired of watching 1 guy with the ball and 4 other guys "stand" at the 3 point line waiting for the ball.

After RJ's great minute - there should have been more effort to get him another shot - nope we went back to what got us in a hole and ultimately lost.

Have to improve roster BBIQ and I know we didn't have a PG but our ball handling is below average and that is saying it nicely.
Brad's offense is predicated on offensive movement. I'm as tired of watching the iso and hero ball as anyone, but that isn't Brad's scheme, that's guys playing their own game. If you want to knock Brad, knock him for not benching guys when they don't run the offense.
 
#424      
lets not hang our hat on 20 wins when they used to play 25-28 games - 20 wins was a nice accomplishment. Now they play 30+ and upto 40 games
I remember saying something similar to this a decade or so ago. And then 20 wins eluded us for the next several years.

Don’t take it for granted. We made the tourney; had 20+ wins.

In some ways we under achieved, but in others we fought through some adversity and had some success.

BUT I think we are at a crossroads. Brad has some decisions to make in how he builds a team, how he manages said team, and maybe even regarding his general bball philosophy.
 
#425      
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My belief all year was that BU did not have the discipline needed to ensure success of the program and of the players. This comment from CH kind of backs that up. I don't think you have to be an ahole coach, but the players need to know that to play consistently you need to respect the coach, the team, other players and the University. Just my opinion.
It's a tough spot because we had a short bench for a lot of the year, and then Skyy left. Not much room to sit guys to make a point. Seems like Brad hoped they would play through it and figure it out. They didn't. Hopefully lesson learned.
 
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