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dbeverly26

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ChiefGritty said:
I mean, money for team control is the basic framework of a negotiation for all athletes in all sports.


A lot of hurdles between here and there, but it definitely feels like a CBA with a college player's union is the only happy ending to this.
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I think the whole thing will be telling in terms of who has the power within the NCAA. They've already made it clear that they want no part of moving to an employer-employee relationship (or equivalent), and I think that those who shape institutional policy are openly hostile towards collective bargaining. But the direction that things are going in will clearly destabilize the hierarchy within the NCAA itself, and I don't think the big money movers and shakers are going to be happy with that. In a context where the traditional TV rights structure is crumbling how interested do you think the people who pay the bills are in another few FAU/SDSU Final Four matchups in the upcoming years? I feel like if the NCAA isn't smart enough to figure that out on their own they will, at the very least, be hearing about it from people who can figure it out for them.

If it becomes a staring contest between the players and the NCAA I feel like you guys will get what you want and the players will bear the burden of restoring order. The stakes for the players are not symmetrically divided, and there will be a lot of pressure from influential third parties that will make it an uphill battle for any group of players who tries to push for meaningful collective bargaining. And then you've got the courts, which I think will generally be inclined to protect the institution of college athletics given the stakes involved.

None of this is going to happen quickly, imo.
 
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zentrails

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Indy Illini Fan said:
He not even making top 4 money on the UCLA team right now …

Closer to home … TA … $$$ … Lot of factors …

This ain’t a done deal … Kid will have tons of interest and maybe UCLA steps up …

But if he’s in the portal … TA will put Brad in prime position to close …
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And here I thought DB11's hint was that the PG we have in mind has one more game to play.....
 
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Navy_illini

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I think fans and coaches by and large don’t like how the portal has been used since its inception. But change was needed from the old system where the NCAA would decide who was worthy enough for a waiver

My solution
If you transfer you sit out a year but you don’t lose eligibility. Let’s face it if you need to transfer the extra year won’t hurt plus allows players to work in course work

If your coach leaves or is fired you should be able to transfer immediately unless you transfer to a school were your coach moves to. Anywhere else is fine otherwise you sit a year

If you graduate you should be able to transfer to any school. This allows players to get a masters and gives incentive to concentrate on schoolwork

There has to be some penalty to transferring but I don’t like how coaches can move around but a different set of solutions is needed in addition to buyouts
 
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DeonThomas

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South Carolina
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One Man Fast Break said:
Dunno what would be a good fit for Melendez. His 2022-23 season was... not good, and his 2021-22 season to fall back on was really small sample size (only 187 minutes). He'll be a True Junior that will still have to compete with these COVID eligible guys two years ahead of him, and he only has two years left due to when he started, so he really can't afford to "miss" on this one.

Safest bet for him is to transfer down a level to a 1-bid league, but I dunno what he's thinking...
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agree. don't believe this one is a huge impact for us.

Epps' departure, on the other hand is a big deal.
 
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skyIdub

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Winged Warrior
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It seems to me from piecing together several posts from Indy, Lville, and 0440...RJ is a good kid but seems to be a bit of a drama queen. Curbelo was the same.
Loads of potential tempered by distractions and attitude.

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FAR Penthouse

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7 Year Illini said:
In my view, “the magic of college basketball” was built upon young adults being denied the right to earn a living and incredibly limited in their options based on the false concept of “student athletes,” while coaches, ADs, etc. made millions. We aren’t left with “far lesser”— we have “far fairer.”

And if you don’t like the new sport, that is totally acceptable and a reasonable decision!

But in my view, a sport built on taking advantage of kids has died. Good riddance.
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Far fairer, but from this fan’s perspective less interesting. The attachment fans developed for players will disappear because of this. Why become invested in the players when they clearly aren’t invested in your school or it’s fans? Since players now have their freedom so too should the school; no more 4 year rides, just year to year with the option not to renew.
 
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ChiefGritty

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Chicago, IL
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dbeverly26 said:
If it becomes a staring contest between the players and the NCAA I feel like you guys will get what you want and the players will bear the burden of restoring order.
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The reason I don't feel like this is fair is because the players are currently getting $0 from the schools themselves (yes, yes, various caveats, pipe down).

If the players can get a cut of the TV money I hardly think that's them having order imposed upon their backs.
 
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acmcco2

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Was the RJ transfer coming regardless, or is this move correlated to the likelihood of TSJ coming back?
 
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the juiceman cometh

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dbeverly26 said:
I think the whole thing will be telling in terms of who has the power within the NCAA. They've already made it clear that they want no part of moving to an employer-employee relationship (or equivalent), and I think that those who shape institutional policy are openly hostile towards collective bargaining. But the direction that things are going in will clearly destabilize the hierarchy within the NCAA itself, and I don't think the big money movers and shakers are going to be happy with that. In a context where the traditional TV rights structure is crumbling how interested do you think the people who pay the bills are in another few FAU/SDSU Final Four matchups in the upcoming years? I feel like if the NCAA isn't smart enough to figure that out on their own they will, at the very least, be hearing about it from people who can figure it out for them.

If it becomes a staring contest between the players and the NCAA I feel like you guys will get what you want and the players will bear the burden of restoring order. The stakes for the players are not symmetrically divided, and there will be a lot of pressure from influential third parties that will make it an uphill battle for any group of players who tries to push for meaningful collective bargaining. And then you've got the courts, which I think will generally be inclined to protect the institution of college athletics given the stakes involved.

None of this is going to happen quickly, imo.
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Great discussion. The NCAA has been reactive rather proactive every step of the way on this so unfortunately none of the changes we've seen have been well thought out or part of any cohesive plan. As a result it's probably harder to fix now than ever. Collective bargaining is probably the best chance to right the ship but I wonder how badly the introduction of NIL has set back that path. Revenue sports players won't want collective bargaining that includes non-revenue players, and the top NIL earners probably won't find it to their benefit to join with the guys lower on the totem pole.

Imagine a league where there are no salary cap or league minimum restraints, which is what the NCAA is right now. How easy is it going to be to get the guys earning $1 million+ to accept a CBA where everyone earns a salary and benefits, but that salary is capped at $250k, and since the money is coming from donations the by the same boosters who paid NIL, you're probably not going to get as many lucrative endorsement deals outside of that. But hey, Brandon Lieb equivalent is guaranteed $50k and a 401k.

Then you have the boosters who have so much more power now in the NIL era. They're not going to want to give any of that up.

I think things eventually get there because the constant player churn is going to have an impact on fan engagement, but like you said, it may take a while.
 
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dbeverly26

dbeverly26
dbeverly26
ChiefGritty said:
The reason I don't feel like this is fair is because the players are currently getting $0 from the schools themselves (yes, yes, various caveats, pipe down).

If the players can get a cut of the TV money I hardly think that's them having order imposed upon their backs.
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Yes, I think I’d agree with that. I was unclear and referring to the players trying to compel the NCAA to engage in a formal bargaining process in the first place. I don’t think the players have it in them to make that happen, even if it’s in their best interest as a group.
 
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dbeverly26

dbeverly26
dbeverly26
the juiceman cometh said:
Imagine a league where there are no salary cap or league minimum restraints, which is what the NCAA is right now. How easy is it going to be to get the guys earning $1 million+ to accept a CBA where everyone earns a salary and benefits, but that salary is capped at $250k, and since the money is coming from donations the by the same boosters who paid NIL, you're probably not going to get as many lucrative endorsement deals outside of that. But hey, Brandon Lieb equivalent is guaranteed $50k and a 401k.
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I think that dynamic has played a key role in the CBA negotiation process in major American sports, even after the framework for a salary structure has been put in place at least to some degree in all four majors. So I'd agree that having a small group of players at the top reaping the majority of the benefits but also holding the majority of the leverage is going to be very consequential in how this all unfolds.
 
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